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Yes 41 59.42%
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Old August 17th, 2006, 08:16 PM   #21
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Making a comment is'nt really a problem, but just because you drive through Detroit and see "lazy blacks living in ghettos" doesn't mean that every black person is lazy. I've known plenty of black people who are honest and hard working and just want to be able to work and have a good life.

Yep, and I know lots of lazy white people who are content to take what they can from the government and are too busy managing their (IMO) frivolous lawsuits to seek out and get employment.

I was guilty of profiling and stereotyping all the time when I worked in juvenile justice managing facilities. I stereotyped my staff and my clients. Part of it was done in an effort to help develop effective treatment plans for clients (this new kid is just like Johnny J. We need to watch for this and this behavior) and with staff (this staff reminds me of Staff X who always seemed to go off on Disability claims whenever he didn't get what he wanted...) Of course, this wasn't done "formally" but it was an effective way for us as administrators to communicate general knowledge verbally to each other. Did it make it right? Not always, but the majority of the time it provided us with enough accurate information to minimize the risk.

I believe that every person, regardless of their culture, ethnicity, etc. has the right to their own identity. However, every person can't always control how they are perceived and needs to be prepared to deal with that. Is stereotyping or profiling wrong? I don't think so. I think that it is a part of human behavior. But I also don't support that it gives someone the right to treat someone disrespectfully just because it is perceived that he or she may be what he or she really isn't (does that make sense?)

So you have a first impression of someone. At least be respectful enough to let them prove it wrong or right. That's what I try and do.
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Old August 17th, 2006, 09:46 PM   #22
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Stereotyping is human nature, I think. I can not sit here and say that I don't do it. I am a MOM. And that involves "casing situations" in a moments time. I hope at least parents can see where I'm coming from on this one. And unfortunately stereotyping plays a large part. Not necessarily one's race, but what they choose to wear (not too concerned about tatoos and all that, Bill) and how they carry themselves. Is is stereotyping or intuition? Wait, I do have a stereotype that is always at the front of my mind. Some bad stuff went down between me and my stepdad, he was from Bangladesh. So needless to say, I am very apprehensive about my children having contact with not-native Indian males.

All that being said, I have stereotyped myself, because just yesterday, I caught myself standing "bare-footed in my own front yard with a baby on my hip..." That's right I'm a REDNECK WOMAN

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Old August 18th, 2006, 01:19 AM   #23
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id say a good portion of the time stereo types are close to the truth but there are always exceptions. like someone had already said, some people would think were all a bunch of stupid hillbillys but not true, ect, ect, ect, you get my point
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Old August 18th, 2006, 07:05 AM   #24
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I think there are alot of bullshit stereotypes but I KNOW there are alot of accurate ones too. You can say if you can show some examples than it must be true, but the same can be said on the reverse side.

Race/Creed/Nationality brings up alot more than frivolous stereotypes. Even in the nations of their origins you see alot of what makes some stereotype here.
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Old August 18th, 2006, 10:44 AM   #25
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I am all for unlimited stereotyping/profiling, as long as the BATF and the laws that that organization enforces are eliminated.
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Old August 18th, 2006, 11:39 AM   #26
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This is kind of my point. Why are we so afraid to use these methods? They work for other countries. Shit they work here. You just cant admit you are doing it.

If a cop arrests a car full of crooks it wont matter if they committed the crime or not if he admits that profiling is one of the tools he used to stop them.

you want the simple answer, because we are caucasion males we have to make things mesh together or we are the racists and what not! Solution move to the country and skip the whole mess!
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Old August 18th, 2006, 12:10 PM   #27
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id say a good portion of the time stereo types are close to the truth but there are always exceptions. like someone had already said, some people would think were all a bunch of stupid hillbillys but not true, ect, ect, ect, you get my point
You guys aren't a bunch of stupid hilbillies?! Jeez, I feel like the oddball here...
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Old August 18th, 2006, 08:26 PM   #28
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dont hire ladys of child bearing age
people with tattoos or piercings
or farmers :stan3:
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Old August 18th, 2006, 08:30 PM   #29
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or those damn redheads. they are trouble.
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Old August 18th, 2006, 08:30 PM   #30
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dont hire ladys of child bearing age
people with tattoos or piercings
or farmers :stan3:
women 16-65 need not apply :tonka:
and definetly watch out for those devious farmers and their pitchforks...
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Old August 19th, 2006, 09:37 AM   #31
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Everyone that drives black jeeps are gay. This is not profiling cause I have proof.

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Need I say more, if you can show a couple examples it must be true... right?
by saying that, it makes you a gay liberal hippie, in their eyes...

i just think it's pretty damn funny.
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Old August 19th, 2006, 09:43 AM   #32
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"Profiling" is a title invented to put a name to an element of "common sense".

Our ability to observe, recognize, and respond to patterns (i.e. "profiles") is a key part of how we've evolved as a species.

This doesn't mean that "profiling" always works - however it is a tool. Taking that tool away for sake of political correctness is ridiculous, to the point of being criminally negligent.

Cosider the following "profiling" scenarios:

A group of six nervous middle-eastern men with no luggage boarding a plane with short-notice, one-way first-class tickets purchased with cash.

A nervous person (regardless of age/sex/race) wearing a long coat in August entering an open, but otherwise empty party store at 1:00 AM on a Tuesday night.

A lone adult driving a cargo van (without windows) who lurks around palygrounds.

A lifted Ford F-250 pickup with rebel flags and loud Hank Jr music occupied by three 18-20 year-old white males in "rodeo wear" cruising the east side of Detroit at 11:00 on a Friday night.

A late-model BMW coupe occupied by two white males dressed in "preppy wear" slowly cruising the same neighborhood on Detroit's east side at 11:00 on a Friday night.

A lone 18 to 22 year-old black male driving a rental car with Georgia plates at 50 mph in a 70 mph area of I-75.

These are all cases where "profiling" would come into play. In each case there are numerous legitimate reasons for each. However, they are all situations that have repeatedly led to crime in the past.

I personally would like to see these checked out when they are encountered. Rules that limit scrutiny of middle-easterners to no more than two per day (an actual DOT guideline) and otherwise require us to consciously ignore suspicious patterns are crap. Sure, it results in the questioning of innocent people, but that's a small price to pay.
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Old August 19th, 2006, 09:40 PM   #33
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I agree with duffman here...

Profiling is basically probability and statistics type of a thing. At least thats what it is meant, although people will go blah blah blah and use the term for other things. Its mainly about looking at the facts and figures, and compiling the characteristics that make up a likely suspect/bad guy.


Stereotypes *often* were and are based in fact, although there are two key importances: That they do not necessarily ring true or reflect the true state, and that they may have been based on historical data which is no longer relevant..

For example, people thinking folks from India are poor and come from a dirt village... this was somewhat true years ago, but today many many people come from quite nice cities that would impress the average american.

Or the statement about blacks inteh ghetto... so someone sees blacks being lazy and then makes the statement that blacks are lazy. Based on somewhat incomplete info, as it assumes the blackness makes them lazy, when it may be something different, such as growing up in the ghetto(and all that entails)...
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Old August 20th, 2006, 09:59 PM   #34
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But in every one of Duffmans "profiling" scenarios the person in question was "doing' something to arouse suspicion. The police and sucurity people should be on the look out for people acting suspiciously. The peoblem is when people start to assume the every hispanic is an illegal imigrant, everyone who look arabic is a terrorist, every black is a criminal, ect...
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Old August 21st, 2006, 08:29 AM   #35
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The problem is when people start to assume the every hispanic is an illegal imigrant, everyone who look arabic is a terrorist, every black is a criminal, ect...

Are you saying they arent?
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Old August 21st, 2006, 09:40 AM   #36
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You wanna see profiling, try driving my Yukon.....cops are always pulling over the dude on DUB's
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Old August 21st, 2006, 12:14 PM   #37
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PROFILING!!!

TRY BEING A BLOND!!!!!!!!!!
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Old August 28th, 2006, 01:48 PM   #38
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judging by the original post, it sounds like someones been watching Glen Beck. I think profiling, like so many things, is a GREAT tool. However, it also easily lends itself to abuse if not used with responsibility- the same with guns, and drinking, gambling, or almost anything. I dont like the idea of being searched and possibly even harassed when I didnt do anything, but in the grand scope of things a couple innocent victims to prevent the harm of many is a very small price to pay. Anyone whos too imbicile to handle that needs to go cry to the ACLU. :miff:
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Old August 28th, 2006, 02:13 PM   #39
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I think its sad that where I work im basically told to profile everyday.
But after being forced to do so at work you realize that just because something appears one way, dont make it right.
Beings as I am in sales when someone comes in dressed in dirty hole filled clothes and starts looking at the most expensive item on the floor you might hesitate for a minute to talk to that person about it because you will feel that you are wasting your time, yet thats always the person to buy that item along with the install and service.
Than you get the man in a business suit that wants a discount on the cheapest item on the floor.

As far as profiling goes everyone does it. Its not always wrong unless you let it tically effect your daily life.

I can tell you right now if I was somewhere and something happened to me and i had the choice of leaving my child with a man in a suit or a biker I 100% of the time would choose the biker.
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I think its sad that where I work im basically told to profile everyday.
But after being forced to do so at work you realize that just because something appears one way, dont make it right.
Beings as I am in sales when someone comes in dressed in dirty hole filled clothes and starts looking at the most expensive item on the floor you might hesitate for a minute to talk to that person about it because you will feel that you are wasting your time, yet thats always the person to buy that item along with the install and service.
Than you get the man in a business suit that wants a discount on the cheapest item on the floor.

As far as profiling goes everyone does it. Its not always wrong unless you let it tically effect your daily life.

I can tell you right now if I was somewhere and something happened to me and i had the choice of leaving my child with a man in a suit or a biker I 100% of the time would choose the biker.
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