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Old August 17th, 2006, 04:30 PM   #1
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First off CMUJeepers your opinion is unwanted. Believe it or not this thread isnt intended to cause problems. Just some things I have seen at work this week have me wondering why people are afraid to stereotype. As for my question.

Do you think it is bad to stereotype or profile? Does it work sometimes? Dont most stereotypes start from some truth?

As for the profiling part. Why is it when you go to the airport the are doing the extra security screening of old ladys and not Arabic men?
I dont remember many old women terrorists. Just because it isnt PC doesnt mean it isnt right? I'm not a politician so why do I need to be PC? I am more worried about the safety of my family and not someones feelings.
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The israeli's use a type of physiological profiling that is very effective. It's based on the behaviorial actions of terrorists and it's not related to nationality or religious background.

Stereotypes are B.S., except when you are talking about CMUjeeper
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The israeli's use a type of physiological profiling that is very effective. It's based on the behaviorial actions of terrorists and it's not related to nationality or religious background.I heard a little about this. It sounds great. Now all we would have to do is train people smart enough to screen for this behavior.

Stereotypes are B.S., except when you are talking about CMUjeeper
Why is that?

If I said Mexicans travel in big groups or live in small houses with most of their family, wouldnt this be a stereotype? Isnt that mostly true?
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sterotypes have some merit. You should not dismiss them, but not let them rule your life. For example shouldnt a little old lady be more cautious when a group of thug looking teens cross the street to her side, than when to little boys in suits going to church cross the street. ?? I think the answer is clear. Sterotypes are nothing more than memorable occurances, based in fact. Does not apply to all but you should be on the look out for stuff that sticks out and foolish to not keep your eyes open in situation where it can mean getting robbed or worse.

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Adults who ask kids for help. HMMM regardless of race or age they are up to no good.
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The same people who whine about profiling, are the same people who would look at the logo on this site and stereotype eveyone on here as earth destroying RedNecks.....................including those of you on this site that lean a little leftward.
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sterotypes have some merit. You should not dismiss them, but not let them rule your life.

This is kind of my point. Why are we so afraid to use these methods? They work for other countries. Shit they work here. You just cant admit you are doing it.

If a cop arrests a car full of crooks it wont matter if they committed the crime or not if he admits that profiling is one of the tools he used to stop them.
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anyone who doesnt believe in sterotypes i challenge them if they have kids to let a creepy single dude to babysit their kids. I challenge them to let any dude baby sit their kids. Its unlikely he is a molester, but so many more men are predators than females (or seem to get caught) i dont think there would be many takers. No matter how unlikely it is, its not worth the risk. Same with profilling a guy with a swatika tatoo on his forhead outside the parking lot of the jewish community center, or a angry looking arab dude in line to get on the plane. I say profile 'em ! if its a situation to end badly. Better safe than sorry. Some folks are telegraphing there next move and your dumb not to pick up on it, and act accordingly.
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Not being funny here but I get profiled, or stereotyped almost daily. Kinda sucks really. However I get stereotyped by choices I made in the past, so I must live with it. If the thugs get stereotyped by their dress over suited guys, these are choices they too make. However a racial stereotype is mainly based on ignorance. Like in the example above about Mexicans... most live together here because their families are in Mexico still and it makes it cheap to live here. Then in Winter layoffs etc they go back to Mexico with the money saved... most people don look at the reasons people do what they do.
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Not being funny here but I get profiled, or stereotyped almost daily. Kinda sucks really. However I get stereotyped by choices I made in the past, so I must live with it. If the thugs get stereotyped by their dress over suited guys, these are choices they too make. However a racial stereotype is mainly based on ignorance. Like in the example above about Mexicans... most live together here because their families are in Mexico still and it makes it cheap to live here. Then in Winter layoffs etc they go back to Mexico with the money saved... most people don look at the reasons people do what they do.
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I think its a damn good idea , WWII it was japan folks , hell they were put into encampments even .

Today the concern is with arabic nations so there is no reason not to stereotype . Those who are doing no wrong and want to be a citizen of the USA should not have a problem with it either .

When the Injuns have another uprising nail there ass too
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When the Injuns have another uprising nail there ass too

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However a racial stereotype is mainly based on ignorance. Like in the example above about Mexicans... most live together here because their families are in Mexico still and it makes it cheap to live here. Then in Winter layoffs etc they go back to Mexico with the money saved... most people don look at the reasons people do what they do.

Why is it ignorance? If I made a comment about lazy blacks living in ghettos is that ignorant? I see it daily when I'm working. If you have time to sit on your porch with your 40 you have time to trim the weeds you call a lawn out of your gutters.

As for the Mexican comment, what about the ones that pack 15 or more of them into a 2 bedroom(4 person) apartment. Just because it is cheap doesnt make it less true does it? Or legal. But if I say that I am stereotyping, and that is supposed to be bad.
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Old August 17th, 2006, 07:10 PM   #12
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are we talking about Albanians again?
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The same people who whine about profiling, are the same people who would look at the logo on this site and stereotype eveyone on here as earth destroying RedNecks.....................including those of you on this site that lean a little leftward.
This is a good point.
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Old August 17th, 2006, 07:21 PM   #14
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Everyone that drives black jeeps are gay. This is not profiling cause I have proof.

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Need I say more, if you can show a couple examples it must be true... right?
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anyone who doesnt believe in sterotypes i challenge them if they have kids to let a creepy single dude to babysit their kids. I challenge them to let any dude baby sit their kids. Its unlikely he is a molester, but so many more men are predators than females (or seem to get caught) i dont think there would be many takers. No matter how unlikely it is, its not worth the risk. Same with profilling a guy with a swatika tatoo on his forhead outside the parking lot of the jewish community center, or a angry looking arab dude in line to get on the plane. I say profile 'em ! if its a situation to end badly. Better safe than sorry. Some folks are telegraphing there next move and your dumb not to pick up on it, and act accordingly.
This is the thing that gets me so frustrated about some of my colleagues and even some of my friends.

Background: F lives in a 100K neighborhood with WT, darker folks, junkies, high school dropouts, blue collar workers, and starter home families. The aquaitences live in 250K neighborhoods with white, college educated, professionals.

They have the gaul to get upset when I claim that living in a multicultural, multi-educational level, multi-blah-blah-blah neighborhood isn't that great. Go figure. They surround themselves with people that are just like them. I challenge them all the time to live in my neighborhood for a week and see if they still think as PC as they did the week before. No takers yet. At any rate I think most people who preach about the evils of stereotyping and profiling probably do both, they are just more discreet.

Living your life believing stereotypes to be stedfast truth is a foolish. Blindly ignoring your gut intinct so you can be PC is equally foolish.
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Everyone that drives black jeeps are gay. This is not profiling cause I have proof.

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Need I say more, if you can show a couple examples it must be true... right?

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In my line of work (Loss Prevention) We defenately need to use stereotypes. Not racial, but unseasonable clothing, etc.... I CANNOT follow somoene just by the way they look, but its a big factor.

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I don't think that security should harrass every person of Arabic decent just bacause the think they "look like a terrorist", but I also don't think they should waste thier time little old ladys just to "keep it even". they should be free to use thier judgment based on many clues, including how someone looks and acts.

I think it's normal, to some extent, to judge people based on privious experiance but I don't think it's right to assume that everyone falls into the stereotype.
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Sterotypes are nothing more than memorable occurances, based in fact.
sometimes, but i think all to often it's based on rumors and personal opinions.
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Why is it ignorance? If I made a comment about lazy blacks living in ghettos is that ignorant? I see it daily when I'm working. If you have time to sit on your porch with your 40 you have time to trim the weeds you call a lawn out of your gutters.

As for the Mexican comment, what about the ones that pack 15 or more of them into a 2 bedroom(4 person) apartment. Just because it is cheap doesnt make it less true does it? Or legal. But if I say that I am stereotyping, and that is supposed to be bad.
Making a comment is'nt really a problem, but just because you drive through Detroit and see "lazy blacks living in ghettos" doesn't mean that every black person is lazy. I've known plenty of black people who are honest and hard working and just want to be able to work and have a good life.
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