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Old September 17th, 2010, 07:17 AM   #1
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Default Row after Pope's remarks on atheism and Nazis

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11332515

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A speech in which the Pope appeared to associate atheism with the Nazis has prompted criticism from humanist organisations.
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Old September 17th, 2010, 10:56 AM   #2
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He's an idiot who believes in superstitious bullshit?
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Old September 17th, 2010, 08:29 PM   #3
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Funny, cause last I checked, Hitler was a Christian?
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Old September 18th, 2010, 12:40 AM   #4
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Funny, cause last I checked, Hitler was a Christian?
Hm, Funny, I also recall he believed in Evolution and Decided he'd help mother nature by trying to purge our gene pool of "Dirty jews" to make us a better Species.


To the Idea of the quoted part (I'm too lazy to read it right now). It's his right to talk about it however he wants. If this guy is offended that's his problem. Usually when people get offended it's because it hits close to something they care about, Identify with, or something that would effect them greatly.
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Old September 18th, 2010, 05:35 AM   #5
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Funny, cause last I checked, Hitler was a Christian?
he was raised as a catholic, but was essentially non-religous, which, by the way, is not the same as athiest. He did speak about god, christianity, etc. in alot of his speeches, but that was probably more for the benefit of his listeners and followers.
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Old September 18th, 2010, 03:30 PM   #6
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he'd... purge our gene pool of "Dirty jews" to make us a better Species.
A bit silly and outlandish, don't you think? He wanted them out of Germany because he thought of them as communist sympathizers.
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A bit silly and outlandish, don't you think? He wanted them out of Germany because he thought of them as communist sympathizers.
No, He wanted a perfect human race. I don't know what Nazi propaganda you were reading . (Just kidding).

But seriously, you don't attempt to kill of a whole race because you think they are communist Sympathizers. You kill them off because you think they are "dirtying" the Gene pool. Hitler was a firm believer in Eugenics. That's exactly what he was doing. If we all believed in Evolution and didn't have any ethics and just strived for an ultimate human race then Hitler could have been seen as a Hero. Fortunately, we do have ethics.
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No, He wanted a perfect human race. I don't know what Nazi propaganda you were reading . (Just kidding).

But seriously, you don't attempt to kill of a whole race because you think they are communist Sympathizers. You kill them off because you think they are "dirtying" the Gene pool. Hitler was a firm believer in Eugenics. That's exactly what he was doing. If we all believed in Evolution and didn't have any ethics and just strived for an ultimate human race then Hitler could have been seen as a Hero. Fortunately, we do have ethics.

Well I could debate you on some of your points, but I'd like to remain a member in good standing on GL4x4.

I don't want my arguments being misconstrued as Nazi-sympathetic or anti-Semitic. Because once the name-calling starts, the debate goes no where.
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Well I could debate you on some of your points, but I'd like to remain a member in good standing on GL4x4.

I don't want my arguments being misconstrued as Nazi-sympathetic or anti-Semitic. Because once the name-calling starts, the debate goes no where.
I was just joking about the Nazi Propaganda stuff. You can remain a member of good standing as long as you keep it a Conversation and not an Argument. Actually, In all honesty, You can be a member here and be a complete D-bag and not be thought of us "Bad". I just have never heard anybody actually say that that was the reason.

It doesn't make sense, to me at least, why he would treat them the way he did because of his fears of them being Sympathizers. He tried to Eradicate them. You can't deny that.
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I was just joking about the Nazi Propaganda stuff. You can remain a member of good standing as long as you keep it a Conversation and not an Argument. Actually, In all honesty, You can be a member here and be a complete D-bag and not be thought of us "Bad". I just have never heard anybody actually say that that was the reason.
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It doesn't make sense, to me at least, why he would treat them the way he did because of his fears of them being Sympathizers. He tried to Eradicate them. You can't deny that.
When researching a topic as controversial as Hitler and the Nazis, always consider the source. There is more bias concerning Hitler than any other person in the history of man.

In the Nuremberg trials, there was an evidence display table set up to show Nazi atrocities. Did you know the "evidence" included shrunken heads? Did you know the "fact" that Nazis decapitated an inmate and shrunk his head was proven false?

Considering this, what else may not be true? What else may be an exaggeration or half-truth? What else is just bias?
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Good to know, thanks.



When researching a topic as controversial as Hitler and the Nazis, always consider the source. There is more bias concerning Hitler than any other person in the history of man.

In the Nuremberg trials, there was an evidence display table set up to show Nazi atrocities. Did you know the "evidence" included shrunken heads? Did you know the "fact" that Nazis decapitated an inmate and shrunk his head was proven false?

Considering this, what else may not be true? What else may be an exaggeration or half-truth? What else is just bias?
How bout all the stories from the Holocaust Survivors? The Numbers Tattooed on their bodies? The Mass graves found? The stories of people hiding Jews in their houses? Are those made up?

I get what your saying but I just can't except that it's not true. Even if the stories of The Survivors are Exaggerated the things still happened. People still died and it was at his hand and one of his goals was to eradicate the Jewish race.
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