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Old August 27th, 2010, 04:36 AM   #1
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Default So how lng until the govt puts a GPS on every car to be able to track it?

I don't like the sounds of this.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/27/...ex.html?hpt=T2

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Law enforcement officers may secretly place a GPS device on a person's car without seeking a warrant from a judge, according to a recent federal appeals court ruling in California.

"They went onto the property several times in the middle of the night without his knowledge and without his permission," said his lawyer, Harrison Latto.

The U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals rejected the appeal twice -- in January of this year by a three-judge panel, and then again by the full court earlier this month. The judges who affirmed Pineda-Moreno's conviction did so without comment.

Latto says the Ninth Circuit decision means law enforcement can place trackers on cars, without seeking a court's permission, in the nine western states the California-based circuit covers.

"You left place A, at this time, you went to place B, you took this street -- that information can be gleaned in a variety of ways," said David Rivkin, a former Justice Department attorney. "It can be old surveillance, by tailing you unbeknownst to you; it could be a GPS."

He says that a person cannot automatically expect privacy just because something is on private property.

"You have to take measures -- to build a fence, to put the car in the garage" or post a no-trespassing sign, he said. "If you don't do that, you're not going to get the privacy."
Really? I have to put my car in my garage or the government can F with it?

Sonow that GPS technology is becoming extremely cheap. How long until the gubment has tracking unit on everyone?
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Old August 27th, 2010, 05:26 AM   #2
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Old August 27th, 2010, 05:36 AM   #3
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...Sonow that GPS technology is becoming extremely cheap. How long until the gubment has tracking unit on everyone?
My phone already has one on it, yours might too. (no need to put it in your car)
My husband can see where I'm at within 2 meters at all times.
(if i have latitude turned on)
He freaks me out by calling and asking me things like "did you just turn on to I-94 from 12??
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No GPS on my phone, and every phone I have seen has the option to turn it off.
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If you're not doing anything wrong, why does it matter if people know where you are? If this was a kidnapping situation and the van that said "free candy" on the side didn't make it a mile down the road before the police stopped it, would you praise it then or is it still a bad thing?

I don't think it's right that I don't actually own my property either. I don't get to do what I want on it even if it is legal. If I have a car in my yard that it takes me a month to change an engine in I can get a ticket. That's the sort of thing I'm against. I've done nothing wrong so track where I go and waste important resources that could be used doing something useful.
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seriously paranoid people crack me up........worst case scenario they can only track half of us.......................and besides takes two officers to arrest...........so your chances of getting away with whatever the hell you have to be paranoid about are still pretty good!
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No GPS on my phone, and every phone I have seen has the option to turn it off.
You think that option isn't capable of being over-ridden? If someone wanted to find out where you were badly enough, there are people out there that could do it.
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they will never know where i am at as long as i have my tin foil hat on :)
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I do not agree with those judges in any way. The police, or anyone for that matter, do not have the right to come onto private property and fukc with a persons private vehicle, just because that person did not take measures to stop them from doing it. What retarded thought process leads to stating something like that? A private citizen needs to protect themselves from the police??

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seriously paranoid people crack me up........worst case scenario they can only track half of us.......................and besides takes two officers to arrest...........so your chances of getting away with whatever the hell you have to be paranoid about are still pretty good!
So you would be OK with the government putting a GPS tracking device on your vehicle without your consent?
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If you're not doing anything wrong, why does it matter if people know where you are? If this was a kidnapping situation and the van that said "free candy" on the side didn't make it a mile down the road before the police stopped it, would you praise it then or is it still a bad thing?

I don't think it's right that I don't actually own my property either. I don't get to do what I want on it even if it is legal. If I have a car in my yard that it takes me a month to change an engine in I can get a ticket. That's the sort of thing I'm against. I've done nothing wrong so track where I go and waste important resources that could be used doing something useful.
It matters, because it is a violation of my 4th amendment rights. I don't give a flying fukc what those judges say, its wrong, and they are trampling on the constitution.
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im good i just put up a sign in my front yard that says private property so now the police will see that nd cannot enter on my property. The article says so.
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this is all a culmination on federal, state and local governments unable to control and reduce crimes. their answer is to simply monitor everyone and decide who is actually guilty of something. our government seems to have only one goal anymore and that is to take away our rights.
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No GPS on my phone, and every phone I have seen has the option to turn it off.
I have one like that, but they can still determine your general location based on what tower you are on even when it is disabled. Finding you using that alone would be difficult. However, it would reveal your path of travel, whether you cross state or national boundaries, etc.
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So you would be OK with the government putting a GPS tracking device on your vehicle without your consent?
not saying im ok with it but do you think if they want to follow you or track that they cant or wont..............
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What if you find the GPS on your car and you take it off or break it altogether. Is that a crime?
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I've read articles that said that every automobile with an OBD II (mid 80s) or newer chip has the capability to be tracked and disabled by satellite. Just because we can't do it doesn't mean the gov't can't do it. All cel phones and wireless home phones use public domain airwaves. All coversations on them are public, not private as ruled by the court and FCC. The only private conversations were on hard-lined phones, but that went away with Bush's Patriot Act too. Now ALL phone conversations are able to be listened in on by the gov't.

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It matters, because it is a violation of my 4th amendment rights. I don't give a flying fukc what those judges say, its wrong, and they are trampling on the constitution.
Agreed! It's called an invasion of privacy. Our gov't has been overstepping their boundaries for WAY too long. It's gotten to the point that the younger generations don't even know where the boundaries were supposed to have been.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 08:44 PM   #20
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In the words of Jesse James "You gotta drive a car with a carburator, no computers man, that's how the government watches you"

Sound's like he was right.
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