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Old August 10th, 2010, 08:41 PM   #1
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Default Stump hill closed off by the DNR?

Please tell me this is from you guys. if so whats the plan after u guys are done?? i got some upset people asking me many questions that i don't know the answers to. i just hope its not the DNR shutting us down. a lot of people pay for ORV stickers and we havn't seen any positive things come out of it.




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Old August 10th, 2010, 08:53 PM   #2
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where were the pics taken? in st helen? doesn't look familiar and i was there yesterday where i "thought" this was to be built.
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Old August 10th, 2010, 09:02 PM   #3
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this hill is actually in West Branch. but its good to hear that it looks like something u guys would build. we run that hill quite often, so to see it shut down (big pine tree blocking the bottom) we thought it was DNR operation. and last time i was there was the first time i didn't get to climb the hill most trucks have a hard time climbing the hill due to the limited slip axles and rutting it out so bad, but we really put our suspensions to work flying up that hill in our sandrails. there has been many break down's at that hill. can't wait for it to open back up. we can't get cought on any of the hills around there (any vehicle) in the daytime, DNR will be right there writing us $500 land erosion tickets. eeeekkkk!!! but hopefully all goes well.
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Old August 10th, 2010, 09:11 PM   #4
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Thats what I believe is the dnrs vague attempt to block off stump hill. They did a much better job on the clay pits. Stump is the hill by the 3rd rail road crossing. They also blocked off the hills off to the side. Just a word to the wise , they are spending a LOT of time at preachers writing tickets at $130.00 a piece . They have not started on the rock coarse yet and that hill in the pictures is miles away. Bad news is stump is closed .

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Old August 10th, 2010, 09:31 PM   #5
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whats the point in closing one area and then spending money in another area to make it fun for us to play?
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Old August 10th, 2010, 09:42 PM   #6
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how sad. i hate to see this thread head in the wrong direction. but WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old August 10th, 2010, 09:44 PM   #7
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Closings are getting more and more common, thats why when I hear of projects like this I like to get involved.
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Old August 10th, 2010, 09:47 PM   #8
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whats the point in closing one area and then spending money in another area to make it fun for us to play?
They have been trying to close down hills like that for years. I tihnk a lot of it has to do with the "forest planning" stuff that the greenies have been pushing. Having designated areas for ORV operation, and forbiding it everywhere else.
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Old August 10th, 2010, 10:11 PM   #9
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closing it off claiming we tear up the land so they can drive cable skidders through there and perform acceptable damage.
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Old August 10th, 2010, 11:44 PM   #10
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Can we keep this thread on topic please.

For all other land use issues use the land use forum here and on www. GLFWDA.ORG
sorry!
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Old August 11th, 2010, 04:26 AM   #11
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Can we keep this thread on topic please.

For all other land use issues use the land use forum here and on www. GLFWDA.ORG
X2 this thread has been very positive for our sport, lets continue it.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 08:53 AM   #12
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I moved these posts out of the rock donation post.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 08:56 AM   #13
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I would lllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooovvvvvvvvvvvveeee eeeeeeeeeee to get a ticket on stump hill just to fight it so a judge would make a ruling on it. That hill fits the term as being legal IMO. To me, those "erosion control" wood pieces are nothing more then traction points on a legal trail.

But like the others that have fought the tickets there, the DNR backs down and it never reaches a judge.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 09:05 AM   #14
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We talked to a officer about stump hill 4 or 5 years ago, long story short we told him come with us we were going to go drive stump hill so he could give us a ticket and we could fight it in court. It is a through road which by there rules its should be ok to run. He turned around and went the other way, But they have been telling people to stay off from it for years.
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We talked to a officer about stump hill 4 or 5 years ago, long story short we told him come with us we were going to go drive stump hill so he could give us a ticket and we could fight it in court. It is a through road which by there rules its should be ok to run. He turned around and went the other way, But they have been telling people to stay off from it for years.
Didn't Marv and Deke fight a ticket there six or some odd years ago?
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Old August 11th, 2010, 09:08 AM   #16
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Didn't Marv and Deke fight a ticket there six or some odd years ago?
No that was up by Rose City , and the tickets were tossed out by judge.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 09:31 AM   #17
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They have ben hiding guys on top of that hill with radio's and hiding a truck off the trail and giving out tickets for years now. Now that they planted seed on it my guess is property damage is what they will go for. I agree that it looks even more fun to climb now but sure as hell won't be the first ! Preachers has ben HOT for tickets and my guess is Labor day they will be there along with block and tackle and mud lake aka Beaver lake. The clay pit has ben blocked off and seeded recently also. They thing that really gets me twisted is the signs that read "Land restoration project" and " projected funded by orv sales" . That pit was dug by them many years ago to fix near by roads and now that it has tire tracks it has to be a land restoration project . What a waste of money !
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I was up there last weekend and went by it three times it is very very blocked at the bottom by very large trees cut down. Much more damage to the environment then any bikes or trucks did over the past 50+ years. Sad it is a through road and there are many nice trails behind it. The most challenging single track bike climbs are on that hill and my dad and grandfather have equally fond memories climbing that hills. It makes no sense it is a waste of money and resources.
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Preachers Hill is a drive up and drive back hill, The Clay pit is also not a drive through road. Stump Hill has a continued road on the other side. That is the difference in these spots.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 07:56 PM   #20
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Work Instruction:
Use of the term “Road” is broad in meaning and includes Department controlled “Forest Roads” and other
Department controlled roads on certified Department land that do not meet the definition of “forest road” per PA
451, Part 324.811. From PA 451, Part 324.811: “Forest Road” means a hard surface road, gravel, or dirt road, or
other route capable of travel by a 2-wheel drive, 4 wheel conventional vehicle designed for highway use, except an
interstate, state, or county highway.
Emergency Road Closures:
An emergency (immediate) road closure, which may be permanent or temporary in nature, may be needed when there is a
public safety and/or a significant environmental, natural resources, or legal concern. These types of concerns include, but
are not limited to: deep rutting (which impacts environmental function) or the potential for deep rutting, movement of
significant soil from the roadbed, sediment flow into a wetland or water body, flooding, failure of a bridge, culvert failure
that results in wetland or water body sedimentation, threats to threatened or endangered species, and threats to cultural or
historic sites.
The Director of the Department of Natural Resources and Environment (DNRE) may issue a Land Use Order of the
Director (LUOD) for emergency road closure. Staff should use the following procedure:
1) A DNRE employee who identifies an existing road meeting at least one of the above criteria for emergency road
closure should immediately inform their supervisor and inform the Land Administering Division (LAD) Manager.
2) The LAD Manager (normally the FMD Unit Manager) will immediately evaluate the reported road condition, and
if there is a public safety, or significant environmental, natural resources, or legal concern the problem will either
be immediately mitigated or the road will be immediately closed. Posting is required, and in addition closure may
be achieved by placing barricades, berms, gating, signing, etc. The decision for non-action or the action chosen
must also be reported to the supervisor of the person who reported the situation and to the LAD District Supervisor.
3) The LAD Manager will immediately contact their respective Ecoteam Chairperson and report the situation. At the
same time, the LAD Manager will complete and sign the Forest Road Checklist, R4503 and Forest Road Closure
Review form, R4504 and submit to the Ecoteam chairperson. (Note: additional approvals/sign offs are not needed
for the emergency closure.) If the LAD Manager does not take action, and another Division supervisor feels they
should, the matter should be submitted to the Ecoteam, with evidence and justification, for recommendations. .

This is the answer I got when I called about them blocking off the "clay run" that is the road that runs north just west of the clay pit. It shows up as a seasonal road on the map, older maps it shows up as a county road. When I called on it they stated it was covered under LUOD and this is what I found under LUOD.
It makes me sick that they closed it, I have ben climbing it for 27 years .
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