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Old August 17th, 2010, 07:51 PM   #61
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I'm amazed by how hard mike fights for gay rights. It's like a black guy taking up the cause of the kkk
Could you think of a worse analogy?
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Old August 17th, 2010, 08:28 PM   #62
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Could you think of a worse analogy?

Yes. How about comparing the attack on the World Center and building a mosque 2blks away to a church and an abortion clinic bombing.........

"They also wrote that they found it in poor taste to build it there, which I don't agree with. That would be like saying it would be in poor taste to build a church 2 blocks away from an abortion clinic bombing."
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Old August 17th, 2010, 08:43 PM   #63
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Yes. How about comparing the attack on the World Center and building a mosque 2blks away to a church and an abortion clinic bombing.........

"They also wrote that they found it in poor taste to build it there, which I don't agree with. That would be like saying it would be in poor taste to build a church 2 blocks away from an abortion clinic bombing."
the only difference in that analogy is the number of victims (tens vs thousands), which I don't think is enough to invalidate the analogy. I'm thinking it's still a pretty big tragedy to a community.
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Old August 17th, 2010, 09:31 PM   #64
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Could you think of a worse analogy?
Not really.
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Old August 17th, 2010, 09:53 PM   #65
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While I completely agree with almost everything you say here(here\\\\\\\\\\'s where I said it a little more boiled down), I must interject and say a couple things (for the sake of arguing). First, in your scenario, would all people get a legally recognized civil union or just gays?

Second of all, whatever the biblical definition says marriage is, doesn't really matter in terms of the U.S. Law, would you agree?

Third, what makes you think that Christianity owns the term marriage? You don't think that people were married before Christianity? Why does their definition hold any more water than another faith or culture?
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It doesn't matter how I feel or what I observe as the law; as long as you have Christians that equate marriage to a a union of man and woman, under God, things will not change. Period.

Gays that claim they want to be married to get their fair share of benefits and *INSIST* on calling it marriage are fighting the wrong fight and wasting their time.

I answer your question with another: "Why does their definition hold any more water than another faith or culture?"

What other religion/culture has defined marriage as a joining of two people of the same sex? What is SO important in a name - from the gay's side? I believe I am an non-denominational as you, and I can see this as something Christians hold sacred - why is it a necessity to re-define their rules (against their will) to include people who are clearly defined as sinners in the eyes of the Lord?

It doesn't have to be complicated.
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For once I agree with sova, it's a terrible analogy, blacks don't choose to be black, gays choose to be gay.
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For once I agree with sova, it's a terrible analogy, blacks don't choose to be black, gays choose to be gay.
Like you "chose" to be heterosexual? :facepalm:
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Like you "chose" to be heterosexual? :facepalm:
You shouldn't even address those comments...
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But (and this is for arguments sake only), if it is found to be unconstitutional within the confines of the U.S. Constitution, that would supercede the state constitution.
Only if you believe that the Federal government has power beyond the 18 listed, then that could be true. In our modern society that will probably be the case. If it goes that way it will be another nail in the coffin of state sovereignty and a blow to liberty in general.


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Yes, and Gore had the majority.....in the popular vote.
Bush had the majority in the electoral vote.
The Supreme Court essentially ruled that the electoral superceded the popular.
True enough, but history shows and the constituition is written such that electoral votes decide the outcome of the presidential race to give each state an equal say in the election. Essentially a state sovereignty issue also.

This all comes down to Federal power grabbing. A centrally planned government will fail us all.
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Only if you believe that the Federal government has power beyond the 18 listed, then that could be true. In our modern society that will probably be the case. If it goes that way it will be another nail in the coffin of state sovereignty and a blow to liberty in general.
Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868.

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868.

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Are you going to use that to make a point?
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