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Old August 2nd, 2010, 06:15 PM   #1
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A friend and i were having a discussion, and the question came up," If a rapist and murder of say a child finds God, and repents and is 'forgiven' while the mother of the child can never get over the horror and can never even consider forgiving takes her own life ?... does the rapist go to heaven while the mother goes to hell?
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 06:19 PM   #2
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 09:02 PM   #3
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First prove heaven or hell. Second I'd morn the mother and hope like fukc the forgiven gets the living shit beat out of him and killed.....by accident.

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A friend and i were having a discussion, and the question came up," If a rapist and murder of say a child finds God, and repents and is 'forgiven' while the mother of the child can never get over the horror and can never even consider forgiving takes her own life ?... does the rapist go to heaven while the mother goes to hell?



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Old August 2nd, 2010, 09:20 PM   #5
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Suicide is actually a grey area, biblically speaking. If the mother was not a Believer, then yes, she would go to hell. That would be no different if she died of Natural Causes. If she was a believer I can say that God has the final Judgement.

In the case of the Rapist and murderer of a Child, Also a hard one to think about. Leave it up to God I guess. Jesus Forgave a Murder while on the cross and told him he would be in Paradise with him that day. So, yeah, It can be done. However, it was an honest repentance from the murderer, Not a Cheap attempt at fire insurance. If you believe that a murder is always a murderer then I would assume that you also think that trying to rehabilitate inmates is pointless. Let's just shoot em all and let God sort them out.

Is hit going to turn into a "Can God Create a Boulder bigger then he can lift" kind of thing. Oh dear God in Heaven, I hope not.

The problem with thinking like this is it puts God in a Box. He created the friggin Universe, do you really expect him to be understood by his creation fully?
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If the mother is going to commit suicide she should first kill the murder/rapist. And if she is "hawt", then that changes the entire question.
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Suicide is actually a grey area, biblically speaking. If the mother was not a Believer, then yes, she would go to hell. That would be no different if she died of Natural Causes. If she was a believer I can say that God has the final Judgement.

In the case of the Rapist and murderer of a Child, Also a hard one to think about. Leave it up to God I guess. Jesus Forgave a Murder while on the cross and told him he would be in Paradise with him that day. So, yeah, It can be done. However, it was an honest repentance from the murderer, Not a Cheap attempt at fire insurance. If you believe that a murder is always a murderer then I would assume that you also think that trying to rehabilitate inmates is pointless. Let's just shoot em all and let God sort them out.

Is hit going to turn into a "Can God Create a Boulder bigger then he can lift" kind of thing. Oh dear God in Heaven, I hope not.

The problem with thinking like this is it puts God in a Box. He created the friggin Universe, do you really expect him to be understood by his creation fully?
ok, but according to the bible and teachings, what is taught? Cause the bible says at the time of judgment, if you truly repent you will be saved. And yes, i do understand suicide is a no no, but so is murder.
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ok, but according to the bible and teachings, what is taught? Cause the bible says at the time of judgment, if you truly repent you will be saved. And yes, i do understand suicide is a no no, but so is murder.

That is what the Bible teaches as far as the judgement goes. It's not a magical word though. It's about the faith that it takes to be able to accept that Christ died for your sins. That Faith will Lead you to repentence. If some one truly repents from what they've done then yes, They'll be saved. No sin, no matter how bad, can out weight Christ's sacrifice on the cross. But, as I stated already, it has to be Sincere and not just a magical Sentence that you say.

There is also Forgiveness. Jesus Taught us, or gave us a good outline, in the Lord's prayer. In part of that prayer it says "Forgive us our Debts as we Forgive our debtors". That's a Huge theological truth right there. If we pray that prayer, as Jesus said we should, we should expect God to Forgive us as we forgive others. That means we should forgive people.

So, to do a brief answer, Yes, If the murder/rapist truly repents down the road, he will be saved. His Sin cannot blot out what Christ did, Plain and Simple. The problem is a one of actually repenting and not just trying to avoid punishment.

As far as the Suicide goes.......We can't loose our Salvation. Also, Theologically speaking, Christ would have died for that sin when he died on the cross. So technically suicide won't get you a one way ticket to hell but this also goes into the "did they truly repent" thing. If you can accept that Christ died for your sins then you should also accept that God is the only one in control of our lives.
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