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Old December 4th, 2005, 11:37 AM   #1
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Leave our cars alone!

Car fights you if you want to speed

Biggest thing I don't like is the GPS thingy...big brother getting into you car. I know the on-star thing does it to, but it still ain't right.
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Old December 4th, 2005, 11:55 AM   #2
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its funny you should say about the power & control issues of the auto industries. most folks don't even realise they have a external control on their autos. I have onstar and don't pay to keep it up , so I would hope they don't care or don't watch to see where I have been. don't forget the fuel systems all have shut offs when you hit certain speeds. the only way to shut them off is with an external chip or "Iteragator controler". its not something anyone can get hold of.
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if one is on my car I will take it off

It's just like ABS and Airbags you can make them unfunctional if you wish.
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That's bullshit. 3/4 of the people on the freeway are usually doing over the speed limit, and there are times where I've had to get on the throttle to get out of the way of someone merging and what not. Besides that, what if it's an emergency of some sort?
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i apreciate things on cars, but don't necessaryilly like them.
I don't like automatic head lights.
I don't like automatic whippers.
I don't like traction control.
I don't really care for ABS.

I just personally don't like these things because they take away control from proficient drivers. But yet they help cover up driving problems for people that don't know what the hell they are doing behind a wheel.


In last nights storm i was glade i was in my XJ that has
No ABS
No Traction control
and no governer. Had a few times i had to hammer the gas to make way for idiots on the road.
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I think ABS is a good safety device. You can say what you want about "proficient drivers" but there isn't a driver in the world that can pump the brakes as fast as the ABS does. The Michigan State Police did a study on ABS vs non-ABS police vehicles and they found that in all conditions except one (dry road, 100 mph to 0 panic stop), the ABS vehicle stopped sooner and in more control than the same vehicle without it. I agree, there are times I don't want it, like when off road, but it is easy enough to turn off...same as airbags.

But don't want big brother watching where I go or controling my speed. If it bases the limit off the speed limit on the road you are on, how would it perform when off-road?
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Keep in mind, there's good ABS and bad ABS..

Unfortunately, most people first experienced ABS on GM garbage. The delphi & bendix systems were utter crap.

On the other hand, Continental Teves & Bosch systems are excellent. I developed traction control, ABS, and stability systems for Conti Teves for a few years, and got to do a lot or testing in the test track at Brimley by the Soo. Its amazing what a good system can do. Unfortunately, too many early systems were crappy.


Its always interesting watching people's opinions of this stuff. I have been designing the on-board networks and various control modules on cars for 10 years now, so I know exactly what things are and aren't capable of.
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