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Old July 14th, 2010, 01:32 PM   #21
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FAIL. It only says that you must state your name on upon request. It says nothing about having to have documentation to prove it.
They're going to look into whatever name they have. If they give a name that doesn't come up in the database, then they're now handed over to INS. Or if the cop believes they're making shit up, such as the mexican guy gives the info for a 6'2" tall white man, they will turn him over to the INS.





And I hit enter prematurely on my previous post which you quotes, and modified it. I was talking on the phone as I was typing.
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Old July 14th, 2010, 01:36 PM   #22
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To save you a ton of research, prior laws already state that you must have ID on you at all times. This new immigration law does not give ANY authority for PO's to pull over somebody if they look like an immigrant, it only pertains to people who are already in police custody, or being questioned.


And I ABSOLUTELY LOVE hearing on the radio that people are moving out of arizona because of this. That is great, the law is working. Now if the other 48 states pass this (Utah is passing it right now) we will be much better off.
Unless you are referring to this requirement when operating a motor vehicle, you are incorrect. It is my understanding that walking down the street requires no ID. If there is a law citing otherwise I would like to see it.

There are certain activities which DO require an ID, such as carrying under your CPL, or driving a car, but if you do not partake in any of these activities you need not possess ID.
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Unless you are referring to this requirement when operating a motor vehicle, you are incorrect. It is my understanding that walking down the street requires no ID. If there is a law citing otherwise I would like to see it.

There are certain activities which DO require an ID, such as carrying under your CPL, or driving a car, but if you do not partake in any of these activities you need not possess ID.
I was meaning to say ID YOURSELF..


Not carry an ID. Yes, I mistyped
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Brewmann, you should go to mexico, you would make one hell of a pyramid base.

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Old July 14th, 2010, 02:00 PM   #25
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Brewmann, you should go to mexico, you would make one hell of a pyramid base.

LiveLeak.com - How Illegal Mexicans Jump A 20 Foot Fence
Stupid Mexicans, a portable sawzall would have worked better and all 3 would walk across the border.
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Stupid Mexicans, a portable sawzall would have worked better and all 3 would walk across the border.
And if he cut himself, he could just go to a US hospital, after all, laws force them to treat the illegals. Brewmann's people will make sure that your tax dollars pay for his food, his house, his electric, his health insurance, and all of his offspring.
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I was meaning to say ID YOURSELF..


Not carry an ID. Yes, I mistyped
I don't think so. If I am walking down the street, a cop can not randomly stop me and ask my my name.
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I don't think so. If I am walking down the street, a cop can not randomly stop me and ask my my name.
You're really starting to suck at reading comprehension.
I clearly stated that Arizona is one of the FEW STATES that have that as a law and I linked to the law, yet you're talking about where you live which is clearly not Arizona
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INA § 264(e)
Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry
with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien
registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to
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That is for aliens, brewmann would say that it is against the law to single them out, so I didn't bring that up.
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How it was before the new law:

Arizona cop pulls over mexican. He asks mexican his name. Mexican doesn't answer, he goes to jail and is released.

New Law:

Arizona cop pulls over mexican, he asks mexican for his full name, mexican doesn't answer. He's turned over to INS and is deported if he is found to be illegal.




How the fukc is this bad for the legal people of this country?>
It's not. I have no problem with that part of the law. The person violated the law and was arrested. I think that the police should full check out anyone who is arrested for any reason and if they are found to be in violation of any law they should be turned over to the agency responsible for the enforcement of that law.

Iím just not comfortable with the police having free reign to drag off to jail anyone they come in contact with who they might think is not from around here and doesnít have his paperís with him to prove his status.
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You're really starting to suck at reading comprehension.
I clearly stated that Arizona is one of the FEW STATES that have that as a law and I linked to the law, yet you're talking about where you live which is clearly not Arizona
Isn't the title of this thread "Michigan House Bill 6256 immigration law enforceement act"? Aren't we talking about what would/could be happening in Michigan?
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I’m just not comfortable with the police having free reign to drag off to jail anyone they come in contact with who they might think is not from around here and doesn’t have his paper’s with him to prove his status.
Then you should have no problem with the Arizona law or the Michigan proposal.

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You're really starting to suck at reading comprehension.
I clearly stated that Arizona is one of the FEW STATES that have that as a law and I linked to the law, yet you're talking about where you live which is clearly not Arizona
According to this about half the states have such a law:

Stop_and_Identify_statutes Stop_and_Identify_statutes

But most seem to require the police to have reason to believe that you were, are, or are about to be involved in commiting a crime, so just walking down the street normally shouldn't get you in trouble.
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Then you should have no problem with the Arizona law or the Michigan proposal.

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Like I said, my only real concerm is how this is defined:

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Like I said, my only real concerm is how this is defined:
THAT IS ALREADY A LAW, NOW THEY CAN JUST SEND THEM TO INS INSTEAD OF JAIL.


holy shit.
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I don't think so. If I am walking down the street, a cop can not randomly stop me and ask my my name.
Yes they can...what makes you think that they cannot?
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Yes they can...what makes you think that they cannot?
Because he always carries his dune flag with him.
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Yes they can...what makes you think that they cannot?
Yes, but can they do anything to you if you refuse to answer?
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THAT IS ALREADY A LAW, NOW THEY CAN JUST SEND THEM TO INS INSTEAD OF JAIL.


holy shit.
Yeah, you're probably right. But danmit, I want to argue with someone about something.
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