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View Poll Results: Who are you going to vote for?
Devos all the Way! 114 73.55%
Granholm for a 2 term 25 16.13%
I don't car, not gonna vote, then am gonna bitch about the winner. 16 10.32%
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Old August 11th, 2006, 07:18 PM   #21
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charter schools are public. The arent part of the wasteful public school system that takes 11,000 - 15,000 PER STUDENT in a classroom of 30 kids = budget of 330,000 per year (11k x 30 kids) for one teacher to sit in a cinderblock room and talk for a few hours per day. Its terribly wasteful system.

heres a link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_schools
O/T regarding Devos and Granholm but responding to part of Jamiesann's post: I teach second grade in Hartland Jamiesann. Check the money per pupil that Hartland gets against your stated 11 - 15K per pupil. Then check Hartland's test scores. Thanks for lumping me in with everyone else in this "terribly wasteful system".

Don't get me wrong as a father of two children I think we should have choices and we should be able to bring our children to the best school. But I don't like when I do well at my job and my school district does well (for considerably less than 15K per student) yet you state I simply sit for a few hours a day and waste your money.

Back on topic: I don't know for whom I'm going to vote. I can't imagine voting for Jenny from the block as I think she has done a poor job, however I don't yet know much about Devos other than my experience attending Hope College and living in the Holland/GR area where he is very popular.
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He's from GrossePoint so he just figures all school districts get the same amount of funding as his former rich school district recieved.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 07:40 PM   #23
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O/T regarding Devos and Granholm but responding to part of Jamiesann's post: I teach second grade in Hartland Jamiesann. Check the money per pupil that Hartland gets against your stated 11 - 15K per pupil. Then check Hartland's test scores. Thanks for lumping me in with everyone else in this "terribly wasteful system".

Don't get me wrong as a father of two children I think we should have choices and we should be able to bring our children to the best school. But I don't like when I do well at my job and my school district does well (for considerably less than 15K per student) yet you state I simply sit for a few hours a day and waste your money.

Back on topic: I don't know for whom I'm going to vote. I can't imagine voting for Jenny from the block as I think she has done a poor job, however I don't yet know much about Devos other than my experience attending Hope College and living in the Holland/GR area where he is very popular.

Not you personally, not teachers individually, THE SYSTEM. How do private schools outperform public schools with out money from the state, and much less money per student and per classroom is my point. THE SYSTEM. I have allot of teachers and school workers in my family. My aunt runs all the food prep for warren highschools, my mom is classroom assistant for special ed kids, sis is teachers aid/classroom assistant for special ed/EI kids, as her husband (both will be special ed teachers in less than a year) and my sisters mother in law is special ed teacher. I lived with 3 ed students teachers at WMU, and about half my friends were / are teachers or ED majors. Its a very noble profession. LOL look at me defending it like i am trying to proove i am not a racist "hey i have friends that are teachers"


Nothing against teachers i swear I

its the union and the system. I wasnt speaking of just local michigan schools either ... some of the highest per student spending in public schools are not very good schools at all. Southfield spends more per student than Grosse Pointe, and gets lesser scores and jsut about every measurable factor. Proof jsut throwing money at schools does not make for better schools. There are public schools out on the east coast of the country that spend darn near 15 grand per student.

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Old August 11th, 2006, 07:43 PM   #24
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He's from GrossePoint so he just figures all school districts get the same amount of funding as his former rich school district recieved.

Grosse Pointe doesnt "get" the money we spend the money we earn, it comes from property taxes and its not FREE. Very telling the words you use sometimes. Your community could spend just as much or more if they collectively wanted to. Dont hate on me for being raised in a town that values education.
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By the way it's not the "system" of private schools. It is the care of the parents that send those kids to private schools and expect them to learn and check up on them. Teachers are great but even the greatest teacher can try and give the child the best of their ablitly but if a parent isn't there to make sure the child is responisble at home doing homework or dragging them to school every day the teachers actions are wasted.

Private school parents care. My parents cared but couldn't afford to put me in a private school when we got older. We (siblings and I) were in private schools when were were younger since we lived in shitty ecorse but when we moved to Wyandotte it was off to the public school system. Even though they weren't paying more then just taxes you can bet we did our homework and made it to school on time.
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Grosse Pointe doesnt "get" the money we spend the money we earn, it comes from property taxes and its not FREE. Very telling the words you use sometimes. Your community could spend just as much or more if they collectively wanted to. Dont hate on me for being raised in a town that values education.
Riiight, our blue collar neighborhood sure couldn't spend the money from the much lower property taxes that your Richie Richie property taxes provided. Even if we collectively wanted too.

I'm not bitching cause we are less wealthy as your district but just stating that funding isn't the same.

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By the way it's not the "system" of private schools. It is the care of the parents that send those kids to private schools and expect them to learn and check up on them. Teachers are great but even the greatest teacher can try and give the child the best of their ablitly but if a parent isn't there to make sure the child is responisble at home doing homework or dragging them to school every day the teachers actions are wasted.

Private school parents care. My parents cared but couldn't afford to put me in a private school when we got older. We (siblings and I) were in private schools when were were younger since we lived in shitty ecorse but when we moved to Wyandotte it was off to the public school system. Even though they weren't paying more then just taxes you can bet we did our homework and made it to school on time.
System makes a huge difference. I will have to ask my sister how big the union rule book is i think it is around 1,000 pages.

How come in southwest detroit, parents in mexican town cry like they won the superball lottery, when there kids get in the charter school for winning the school lottery??? Tell those parents its not the system. Same kids, same socio economic background, same neighborhood, but there is no denying the success the kids at the charter school see compared to DPS. Suuuuuure its not the system, keep telling yourself that. That charter school is the ticket out of the hood and the parents know it.
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System makes a huge difference. I will have to ask my sister how big the union rule book is i think it is around 1,000 pages.

How come in southwest detroit, parents in mexican town cry like they won the superball lottery, when there kids get in the charter school for winning the school lottery??? Tell those parents its not the system. Same kids, same socio economic background, same neighborhood, but there is no denying the success the kids at the charter school see compared to DPS. Suuuuuure its not the system, keep telling yourself that. That charter school is the ticket out of the hood and the parents know it.
Right, cause you venture down to Mexican town soo often to have this first hand knowledge. If you convince yourself it's the way out of the hood then it just might be. If the parents took some responsibility for their kids in a public school setting the results would be similar. I would really like to see how great these kids do that win the lottery and see if the parents are involved in a greater degree then before the charter school enrollment.
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Right, cause you venture down to Mexican town soo often to have this first hand knowledge. If you convince yourself it's the way out of the hood then it just might be. If the parents took some responsibility for their kids in a public school setting the results would be similar. I would really like to see how great these kids do that win the lottery and see if the parents are involved in a greater degree then before the charter school enrollment.
You go to Mexican Town alot also right? To have the first hand knowledge to support your side?
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You go to Mexican Town alot also right? To have the first hand knowledge to support your side?
Yup, he's looking for a beaner to wax his porsche..
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A ha.. so CMU Jeeper went to a private school..

Hmm..
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You go to Mexican Town alot also right? To have the first hand knowledge to support your side?
I used to go quite a bit when I lived down there. My friend tony's grandma lived above an awesome resturante right by clark park. Great great greasy food!!!
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Right, cause you venture down to Mexican town soo often to have this first hand knowledge. If you convince yourself it's the way out of the hood then it just might be. If the parents took some responsibility for their kids in a public school setting the results would be similar. I would really like to see how great these kids do that win the lottery and see if the parents are involved in a greater degree then before the charter school enrollment.
Why would I not go to Mexican town? Cause I am white? (I am Spanish and Argentinean). Just so you know asshole its called Mexican town. You don’t HAVE to be 100 % Mexican to go there! I love Mexicans and Mexican food.

I didn’t attend the school lotto I saw it on the news. You’re from down river and living in Mt. Pleasant and you find it hard to believe I venture 12 miles from my house to Mexican town? I didn’t have to go to the east coast to know that there are public schools that spend 15k per student (though I have been to a few states on the east coast this has absolutely nothing to do with anything .... much like your idea I must spend a certain amount of time in Mexican town to know what goes on there. )

One of my best friends is half Mexican; she is fluent speaker VERY VERY VERY involved in Mexican charities and non profits. She has been out of the country allot for charities, she even got tuberculosis in Guatemala last year. She just got a job (now that she has her masters) with her own office in phoenix with the American heart association. I am way more connected to the Mexican community than most. Call me crazy I think I have more sense of what they think in Mexican town than some ass in Mt. pleasant. Your rolling your eyes ... dont worry she isnt from GP. You can trust her. She is from the poor side of Muskeegon.

How a "free thinker" like your self, finds it hard to believe I can’t venture 12 miles to Mexican town, but a kid from the 'hood is going to kick ass in school in the current DPS. So anything is possible but I cant like Mexican food or much less drive 12 miles. Great logic.

This no doubt has something to do with being from GP.

I can go out on a limb and assume you didn’t got to Iraq as a little kid on vacation or live there in your lifetime, you didn’t serve in the military … yet somehow the free thinker was able to tell pavement pounder all about Iraq and that serving is like a “paid vacation”. How can you speak about Iraq … I KNOW you don’t spend much time there the last 3 years. Let’s be fair and now you can shut up about anything even remotely related to Iraq from now on, and play by your own rules …. Asshole .... how the hell could you possibly know where I go in metro Detroit.

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A ha.. so CMU Jeeper went to a private school..

Hmm..
From 1st through 7th grade. My dad is the boiler engineer for Ecorse Public Schools and had a clause in his contract that he had to live in the city for 10 years. He wouldn't let us go to those schools so we went to private schools. I can tell you which schools and what teachers as well if you like just to make sure your kids don't ever go there. I know you wouldn't want that.
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umm

I am voting for Granholm.


Sure she is a canadian with a big mole and is probably not the right person for off roading.


But Devos seems like a douche, His plan to get michigan back to work is probably one big pyramid scheme selling amway.

No thanks i'll take the lady with the mole for the time being
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I didn’t attend the school lotto I saw it on the news. You’re from down river and living in Mt. Pleasant and you find it hard to believe I venture 12 miles from my house to Mexican town? I didn’t have to go to the east coast to know that there are public schools that spend 15k per student (though I have been to a few states on the east coast this has absolutely nothing to do with anything .... much like your idea I must spend a certain amount of time in Mexican town to know what goes on there. )



This no doubt has something to do with being from GP.
Yes, I know all about the invisible fence at the GP/Detroit border. I figured since you were from GP you wouldn't venture down to eat with the underlings in Mexican town as most of the people in GP think of them or any other folks that have to work hard for a living.

I guess from your statements that you do go down there.

O yeah, I'm voting for Jenny from the Block. I like the moles
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From 1st through 7th grade. My dad is the boiler engineer for Ecorse Public Schools and had a clause in his contract that he had to live in the city for 10 years. He wouldn't let us go to those schools so we went to private schools. I can tell you which schools and what teachers as well if you like just to make sure your kids don't ever go there. I know you wouldn't want that.
Oh, yes, we were going to move to ecorse for the school district..

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Oh, yes, we were going to move to ecorse for the school district..

LOL..
Do you even read? I didn't go to Ecorse schools. They actually have improved quite a bit and have a brand new high school and gradeschool and an awesome football stadium. Seems to be up and comming area and the houses are still cheap. Might be good for a young couple.
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I can go out on a limb and assume you didn’t got to Iraq as a little kid on vacation or live there in your lifetime, you didn’t serve in the military … yet somehow the free thinker was able to tell pavement pounder all about Iraq and that serving is like a “paid vacation”. How can you speak about Iraq … I KNOW you don’t spend much time there the last 3 years. Let’s be fair and now you can shut up about anything even remotely related to Iraq from now on, and play by your own rules …. Asshole .... how the hell could you possibly know where I go in metro Detroit.
Since you obviously didn't read that 10 page thread I was talking about foregien policy and I could care less what PP does in Iraq or who he shoots or who shoots at him. I was talking about him protecting Iraqi's freedoms and not my own. I guess you didn't get that and I was thinking about calling YOU an Asshole but I don't do things like that.

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I am voting for Granholm.


Sure she is a canadian with a big mole and is probably not the right person for off roading.


But Devos seems like a douche, His plan to get michigan back to work is probably one big pyramid scheme selling amway.

No thanks i'll take the lady with the mole for the time being
well i dont seen granholm with any sort of plan either. i mean, if you even like offroading at all in michigan, whether it be the mounds, state forest roads whatever, forest certification is going to be having a HUGE effect on closing (or trying to close) those areas. she has hired more CO's than ever, and is spending more money closing trails...and its just wrong. It really doesnt matter to me who the other person running is, at least it is not Granholm, because ANYONE is better than her when it comes to outdoor recreation for the future. If you were involved with forest certification you would understand the damaging effects it is having here in michigan, especially in the UP where a lot of the economy is based on the outdoors. Spend some time and research her program:miff:
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