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View Poll Results: Who are you going to vote for?
Devos all the Way! 114 73.55%
Granholm for a 2 term 25 16.13%
I don't car, not gonna vote, then am gonna bitch about the winner. 16 10.32%
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Old August 11th, 2006, 02:42 AM   #1
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So, what do you all think about these to. Good and Bad points?
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Old August 11th, 2006, 02:46 AM   #2
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Duno a whole lot about either, but i say granholm has Mi all fucked up.. so give a devos a shot.. i dont care either way im gona find the negative side and bitch about it..
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Old August 11th, 2006, 08:17 AM   #3
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Duno a whole lot about either, but i say granholm has Mi all fucked up.. so give a devos a shot.. i dont care either way im gona find the negative side and bitch about it..
Wow, there is an informed voter.
Why take the time to learn the candidates and establish a position?
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Old August 11th, 2006, 08:36 AM   #4
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Someone needs to give that bitch a quarter so she can go downtown and have a rat gnaw that thing off of her face.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 09:51 AM   #5
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Shit, why can't we ever get someone from near the middle ground to consider. These are polar extremes in almost every way. Take the average of them and I might be interested. I have no interest in either of them. Again it comes down to voting for the person that will fukc you over the least. Or vote for one to cancel out a vote for the other.

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Old August 11th, 2006, 10:04 AM   #6
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I think we are screwed either way. My problem with Devos is that he supports charter schools and dont quote me but im pretty sure give money to private schools. But Granholm is just fucking up it seams so its time to give a new person a chance.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 02:45 PM   #8
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I think we are screwed either way. My problem with Devos is that he supports charter schools and dont quote me but im pretty sure give money to private schools. But Granholm is just fucking up it seams so its time to give a new person a chance.
What is wrong with giving the piss poor public schools a challenge?
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Old August 11th, 2006, 02:47 PM   #9
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i would never vote for granholm because of what she has done to the state in the form of forest certification:miff: . it is closing trails faster than anything possible. An extreme green movement, and if you dont know, you should get involved
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A California raised Canadian Born mole bearing greeny is SOOO much better for Michigan:miff:

See drummonds post for explanations.
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Why would CMU jeeper vote democrat? He hates fags and abortion, wants to be a business owner and drive a porsche? Republican all the way.


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Yeah, people that rope others into prymid schemes are exaclty the people who SHOULDN'T lead.

I'm glad you Agree with me CC :tonka:
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Wow, there is an informed voter.
Why take the time to learn the candidates and establish a position?
Unfortunatly, no matter how educated you are, I'm not sure that there are enough educated people to make the votes count. There are going to be too many people that know nothing about Devos, but are going to vote for him just because they don't like Granholm. When 75% of the voters are ignorant, the 25% of informed voters can't make it happen.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 06:44 PM   #15
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I think we are screwed either way. My problem with Devos is that he supports charter schools and dont quote me but im pretty sure give money to private schools. But Granholm is just fucking up it seams so its time to give a new person a chance.
charter schools are public. The arent part of the wasteful public school system that takes 11,000 - 15,000 PER STUDENT in a classroom of 30 kids = budget of 330,000 per year (11k x 30 kids) for one teacher to sit in a cinderblock room and talk for a few hours per day. Its terribly wasteful system.

heres a link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_schools

You may be thinking of vouchersí which allow you to take your state tax education dollars to any school. Which makes sense, Detroit schools for example would dry up and nice schools that teach would have tons of money and tons of eager kids, and parents who want their kids to learn, which in my opinion public or private is fine with me. Take the tax dollars to private school. THEY ARE YOUR TAX DOLLARS!!! The state doesnít make the money, and the teachers union shouldnít be owed anything.

Jenny from the block has had no good ideas for anything much less accomplished anything of merit to deserve to stay in office. Her "ill make the president lower gas prices TV commercial" is just offensive and so pandering to the lowest common denominator she should never be allowed to do anything except take ethics classes.

Explain to me cmujeeper how a business is bad that no one is forced to work for or buy from? Then explain to me how a woman who has worked for the state for more than 10 years, served as attorney general and governor can PRENTEND she has the means to lower gas prices "for working families" ??? She is hoodwinking dumb poorly educated folks more than anything AMWAY ever did, and AMWAY didnít do it under the guise of greater good and serving the public ..... as public servant like jenny from the block. She has NO CONSCIENTS if she thought of that commercial. I have never seen or heard of an AMWAY product that didnít do what I was supposed to do, have you?

On the plus side "SHE" did bring 100 Google jobs and only lost 40,000 jobs, so thatís a big plus for me. And we have the second worst economy after Alaska ... which though a state is really more like the Wild West so you can just call Michiganís economy the worst. More free thinking?
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If Devos wins then maybe he can turn around MI just like his comercial said he turned Grand Rapids into the AWESOME city it is today :tonka:


Amway = Pipe dream for the poor to think they could possible get rich like Devos
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Well he puts his name on everything. I would be hard to drive from Devos, Mi to Devos, MI, when you have to tak SB Devos to EB Devos and get off at the Devos exit. :tonka:
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Old August 11th, 2006, 07:23 PM   #18
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Personally, I have seen Devos do alot with G.R. and think he could do the same with the state(unlike the Bitch that is in there)
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If Devos wins then maybe he can turn around MI just like his comercial said he turned Grand Rapids into the AWESOME city it is today :tonka:
Please expand on that, he was never in a political position to do anything or legislate changes in GR that i am aware of. How much can a private individual do more than the van andels and devos do for GR, or that mr. illitch or mr. karmanos have done for detroit. Something is very very wrong with you if yo uexpect a private individual to turn around a city of 200,000+ I would like to see you even try to turn around one neigborhood yourself and see how far you get


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^ :miff: YEAH LIKE thats so much worse than lieing and trying to tell voters you will legislate life style changes for them and give them aid untill the are a sucess, or mandate success (affirmitive action), support non success (well fare) WTF is your problem !!!

Is giving people a side business to make honest extra money a crime? There are 1,000s of people that made small fortune in amway. AMway is still around and devos's and van andels are billionaires and did it selling soap, so they musta did something right. :shrug: Why is being successful = you scamed everyone.

Who is a respected successful businessmen in your eyes CMUJEEPER?

Most importantly why is being a success in private business less virtuous than being a career polititican. Career politicans are not what america is about, not what founding fathers had in mind, and notwhat is good for the state or the country.
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Please expand on that, he was never in a political position to do anything or legislate changes in GR that i am aware of. How much can a private individual do more than the van andels and devos do for GR, or that mr. illitch or mr. karmanos have done for detroit. Something is very very wrong with you if yo uexpect a private individual to turn around a city of 200,000+ I would like to see you even try to turn around one neigborhood yourself and see how far you get
I didn't say it, his comercial said he turned it around. I figured it would be hard for one individual to do but his commercial said he did it.
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