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Old August 10th, 2006, 11:29 AM   #21
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It still comes down to societal beliefs. I think most people don't support it.

I don't really feel like explaining to my son why two dudes are married. We already have sesame street with a puppet with AIDS, we don't need Homo-Monster to join the crowd.

Based on your post, then create a legal domestic partner status and leave the word marriage out of it.
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Old August 10th, 2006, 11:35 AM   #22
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I could give a shit about it, but with some of the TV shows out there about homos....HOW DO YOU EXPLAINE THAT SHIT TO YOUR KIDS????
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Old August 10th, 2006, 11:41 AM   #23
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I could give a shit about it, but with some of the TV shows out there about homos....HOW DO YOU EXPLAINE THAT SHIT TO YOUR KIDS????
Tell them those are people who went to CMU, and changes the channel.

Well, at least for gay dudes and real life lesbians.

TV/Movie lesbians are just something every boy needs to learn about eventually. You can't shield them forever..
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Old August 10th, 2006, 12:39 PM   #24
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Homos, I dont care, but just dont hit on me.

Abortion.

Do I think that having an abortion is a good thing? No.
Do I think that it should b outlawed? No.
I consider myself Pro-Life. BUT, not in the context that it is usually used. I feel that if someone wants to have an abortion, they are going to have it. I would much rather have it done in a medical/professional environment, than in someones basement with a coat hanger. I honestly feel that if abortion was outlawed there would be more deaths associated with it (i.e. mother and child.)
than there already are.
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Old August 10th, 2006, 02:12 PM   #25
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Based on your post, then create a legal domestic partner status and leave the word marriage out of it.
that would be fine.
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Old August 10th, 2006, 02:16 PM   #26
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I could give a shit about it, but with some of the TV shows out there about homos....HOW DO YOU EXPLAINE THAT SHIT TO YOUR KIDS????
Don't. Just lock them in your basement until they are 18 and never let them see the real world. It's scary out there.
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Old August 10th, 2006, 07:56 PM   #27
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I however would be willing to trade gay marriage for the abolition of affirmitive action. Pro gay marriage types have no ground to stand on when they also support affirmitive action. they want functionally the same thing(all races are equal yetsupport affirmative action) to be treated different. They want functional different sex to be treated the same (womens wages, woman work less overtime, and the fact they have kids makes them a rish to employee should they leave for caring the baby), and they want functionally different non offspring producing couples to be treated the same. GOTTA MAKE UP YOUR MIND! I know the liberal platform is based on having your cake and eating it too, but you gotta pick on idea and stick with it!!!

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wtf are you talking about

I was trying to say that different should not be called the same, and then things that are the same should not be treated differently. I.E. All races are the same in terms of natural born potential. Yet minorites, handicaps, women, everyone wants to be told they are the same yet gleefully accept affirmitive action benifits and quotas. BULL!! Either we are the same or we are not.

Woman will tell you they can do everything a man can. For the most part they can except for most are less than 1/2 as strong as the average man and to appease woman voters and liberal jackass' we have woman firefighters who cant do the job a 5th grade boy could do. YET THEY ARE PAID THE SAME. In the business world you can spend tens of thousands to train someone, have hundreds of thousands of dollars of business and plans tied up with them. Woman are a gamble. NO MAN IS GONNA GET PREGGO AND QUIT! The fact that woman make less is directly related to historical figure as primary care giver and they work less overtime, and take time off to raise kids and that holds back their career. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME AS MEN.

Sure gays can adopt, THEY ARENT PRODUCING the kids though. Can i adopt a little black kid and get his affirmitive action credit and cruise through life as a white dude with a black-get-through-life-freebie card?



Since you asked about getting married and not having kids, thats dumb. Just live as common law marriage, or bf/gf. No need to needlessly get the law tied up in your affairs and make for a messy divorce. Sure you can get married but its dumb. Plus there is the POTENTIAL to create or someday become the nuclear family that society wants and needs. No gays no matter how much they hump are gonna pop out a baby :miff:

All these things the liberals want, things that are clearly NOT equal to be treated equal, even when it makes no sense. Gay marriage is another instance. The fact they want to call it marriage and not somehting else just offends more people, and i think they LOVE this though will not admit it.

Its messed up circular logic that CANNOT be defended. Pic a stance and i will poke a hole in it with why it contradicts another sub groupd they want to defend.

- Tell me how gay marriage benefits society in one way?

-Tell me why being single isnt a protected sub group who gets the same benefits as married couple ?
Cant a single man raise a kid. LOL try to adopt a kid as a single man. They automatically assume you are a molester. How is that possible arent we all the same??????????

-How come woman get custody 90% of the time. Cant a single man raise his own biological child.

Unless you can answer these questions, and not have one answer contradict another .... then go away

-Its not victorian times. Women go to school, and work. When a hetero couple breaks up why do women get alimony??????

-Also when a gay marriage couple breaks up, how does the law decide which one has to work for the next 20 years and the other one kicks back and relax's?

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Old August 10th, 2006, 08:54 PM   #28
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I don't care if gays get married. I just don't want to hear about it. I don't want the shit shoved in my face and pressured to accept it as being normal and natural. If they can have gay pride parades down the streets, I better damn well be able to have a heterosexual pride parade too.

The problem alot of people, including myself, have with calling it marriage is that a gay "married" couple are not capable of the same things as a heterosexual couple. By that I mean this, man and woman together is a natural thing. A penis was meant to go into a vag to make kids, not into another man's digestive system. A heterosexual couple has that natural ability to have kids, and the word marriage entails being able to create and have a family, at least I think so.

I'm not a religious person at all but I do believe in God. I do consider myself conservative though. I'll end with this: God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
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Old August 10th, 2006, 11:25 PM   #29
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i agree with you on all that stuff except the gay marriage part. To me there are two types of marriage, one that is recognized by the church and one that is recognized by the government. The governmental definition they are trying to change is the one that is only a couple hundred years old. Sure if the church doesn't want to do that fine, but what's so terrible about two people who are together getting the economic benefits that any other married couple would get. So in a sense, you wouldn't have to see them as being married in the romantic old church style, just in the crunching numbers, government style.
Why should gays get an economic benefit? Are we trying to reward people for being in love? For making lifelong commitments? For what reason do we give any couple, straight or gay, economic benefits? I'm pretty sure that the reason why married people ever got economic benefits was to make it easier for one parent to stay home and raise the kids. i think we should rewrite the laws to reflect that.

I say allow any 2 people to create a "union" regardless of sex. This union would give them some of the right and privliges currently associated with "marriage" like joint property ownership, various legal protection associated with being a "spouse" and other things which affect no one but the couple involved.

Leave the economic benefits to those who it was intended, the parents who are supporting and raising children, regardless of whether they're gay, straight, single or married.

Leave the word "marriage" totally out of it and let the churches decide how they want to deal with that.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 12:40 AM   #30
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I hate all gays and hate that I can't beat them up now because of the hate crime laws. . . stupid gays!! Why do you think I like to wheel. I know all you conservatives wouldn't let any Flamers (besides BDR :tonka:and I know BDR isn't gay but his jeep might be) on the trail.

I'm 75/25 pro life. I think abortion of incest and rape should be the only time allowed. You made the decision to have sex and knew of the possible responsibilities of the actions so you just might have to take care of a kid because of it.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 07:48 AM   #31
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I hate all gays and hate that I can't beat them up now because of the hate crime laws. . . stupid gays!! Why do you think I like to wheel. I know all you conservatives wouldn't let any Flamers (besides BDR :tonka:and I know BDR isn't gay but his jeep might be) on the trail.

I'm 75/25 pro life. I think abortion of incest and rape should be the only time allowed. You made the decision to have sex and knew of the possible responsibilities of the actions so you just might have to take care of a kid because of it.
I guess if the woman would die if she has a baby, then she should just plain die. Its her fault because she had sex anyway.

You know what, if I were you, I'd work on the way I present my ideas, and not be so confrontational and abrasive.

The great thinkers of the world are able to bring their ideas forward in a non-abrasive, non-confrontational way so that people would think about what they had to say, and when it made sense, adopt their ideas as their own. You call yourself a free-thinker, but these are not the thoughts of a free-thinker, they are the thoughts of a close-minded bigot. Just my .02
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Old August 11th, 2006, 08:55 AM   #32
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I think abortion of incest and rape should be the only time allowed. You made the decision to have sex and knew of the possible responsibilities of the actions so you just might have to take care of a kid because of it.
Facts are that less than 7% of all abortions are done for rape & incest.
That means that 93% are using abortion as birth control.
Abortion is infanticide.
If you were born after 1973 it's because your mother didn't get an abortion.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 09:03 AM   #33
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I guess if the woman would die if she has a baby, then she should just plain die. Its her fault because she had sex anyway.

You know what, if I were you, I'd work on the way I present my ideas, and not be so confrontational and abrasive.

The great thinkers of the world are able to bring their ideas forward in a non-abrasive, non-confrontational way so that people would think about what they had to say, and when it made sense, adopt their ideas as their own. You call yourself a free-thinker, but these are not the thoughts of a free-thinker, they are the thoughts of a close-minded bigot. Just my .02
Yes, I believe that a woman should just plain die if she is going to have a healthy baby. That's the circle of life baby, get over it!!

And for the rest of that I don't really care what you have to say

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Old August 11th, 2006, 09:08 AM   #34
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I hate all gays and hate that I can't beat them up now because of the hate crime laws. . . stupid gays!! Why do you think I like to wheel. I know all you conservatives wouldn't let any Flamers (besides BDR :tonka:and I know BDR isn't gay but his jeep might be) on the trail.

I'm 75/25 pro life. I think abortion of incest and rape should be the only time allowed. You made the decision to have sex and knew of the possible responsibilities of the actions so you just might have to take care of a kid because of it.
Wow... didn't see that one coming... then again it's hard to detect sarcasm in text...
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Old August 11th, 2006, 09:15 AM   #35
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Stop it with the "but the woman could die" pro abortion crap arguement. It is ridiculous. People dont give birth in barns anymore. No government funding. Play you pay. Give it up for adoption. Theres plenty of people out there who would love to have a brat who cant on their own.

And gays can get married all they want. As long at it is with somebody of the opposite sex. Plenty of companies already extend bennys to homos. If they think it would benefit the company to have em working there, thats their choice.

No special treatment for gays, no special treatment for minorities.
Thats my opinion. Call me conservative I guess.
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Stop it with the "but the woman could die" pro abortion crap arguement. It is ridiculous. People dont give birth in barns anymore. No government funding. Play you pay. Give it up for adoption. Theres plenty of people out there who would love to have a brat who cant on their own.

And gays can get married all they want. As long at it is with somebody of the opposite sex. Plenty of companies already extend bennys to homos. If they think it would benefit the company to have em working there, thats their choice.

No special treatment for gays, no special treatment for minorities.
Thats my opinion. Call me conservative I guess.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 10:43 AM   #37
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Here's a novel idea. Let the woman decide what she wants to do with her body, and let every opinionated man that thinks he knows what's best go phuck himself.

What if women decided men had to leave their penises at home when they went out drinking? That would be attempted control of your reproductive organ, which is what most pro-lifers are trying.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 11:30 AM   #38
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Between Smash and CMU, I've never seen such stupid reponses. What's your experience with babies and troubled births?

If you don't have a wife and kid, then just stop talking.

Have you ever had to even think about these decisions? Have you ever had to sit there and watch your wife on the edge of death? Felt the anguish of an unborn baby's death?

You continually prove yourself one of the most clueless people about how life works.
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Between Smash and CMU, I've never seen such stupid reponses. What's your experience with babies and troubled births?

If you don't have a wife and kid, then just stop talking.

Have you ever had to even think about these decisions? Have you ever had to sit there and watch your wife on the edge of death? Felt the anguish of an unborn baby's death?

You continually prove yourself one of the most clueless people about how life works.
I do not think you should bash CMUJeeper. He is a freethinker. Also, he is going to do cool stuff after he graduates. He is going to save the economy, and employ all kinds of people. Also, he is going to drive a porsche, which makes him one of the sweetest people on here. His never never land is so much cooler than the life that I built.

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I do not think you should bash CMUJeeper. He is a freethinker. Also, he is going to do cool stuff after he graduates. He is going to save the economy, and employ all kinds of people. Also, he is going to drive a porsche, which makes him one of the sweetest people on here. His never never land is so much cooler than the life that I built.

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