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Old June 10th, 2010, 03:47 PM   #1
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Would any of you Christians please tell me which are the sacraments?
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It varies by denomination. This is not something that all Christians agree on.
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^^ Catholic Sacraments. Maybe AGB should be more specific on which denomination. Different Denominations, Different opinions of Sacraments. I agree with Pokerob though.

edit: Brewmenn beat me to it.
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^^ Catholic Sacraments. Maybe AGB should be more specific on which denomination. Different Denominations, Different opinions of Sacraments. I agree with Pokerob though.

edit: Brewmenn beat me to it.
I'm interested in mainstream, generally accepted, but if I had to nail it down, I would like to know what each of you, in your own individual belief, say are the real sacraments? If there are differences I will pull the ones that are common to all and go from there.

You know this is a loaded question don't you?

Gosh, what trap can buzz be leading us in to now? Muahahahahahahaha.....
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I'm interested in mainstream, generally accepted, but if I had to nail it down, I would like to know what each of you, in your own individual belief, say are the real sacraments? If there are differences I will pull the ones that are common to all and go from there.

You know this is a loaded question don't you?

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As long as you Accept Christ into your life and live for/with him, You're set. The other things should just be outward signs of an inward commitment and love for a Savior. That's what they were originally. The "Sacraments" are just a man made set of rules. Something we do very well.
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As long as you Accept Christ into your life and live for/with him, You're set. The other things should just be outward signs of an inward commitment and love for a Savior. That's what they were originally. The "Sacraments" are just a man made set of rules. Something we do very well.
I'm confused. Can you clarify?
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I'm confused. Can you clarify?
Number one thing that is important to me when bringing someone to Christ is Christ. Once that person has accepted Christ they are set. The other Things (Baptism, Confession, marriage etc) are out ward signs of an Inward Relationship with Christ. If they are done just as out ward signs (with no relationship to Christ) then it's the equivalent of a person walking up on stage and doing the cha-cha Slide. It means nothing. Christianity is about the inward changing of the soul. Not the outward appearance. It's about allowing the God of the universe to do the changing inside.
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I'm interested in mainstream, generally accepted, but if I had to nail it down, I would like to know what each of you, in your own individual belief, say are the real sacraments? If there are differences I will pull the ones that are common to all and go from there.

You know this is a loaded question don't you?

Gosh, what trap can buzz be leading us in to now? Muahahahahahahaha.....
Even amongst mainstream religions there is little agreement. In the Lutheran church I grew up in there are only 2, baptism and communion.

And Iím dying to see what ridiculous direction youíre going to try to go in with this, especially since you have already pretty much admitted that you donít know what youíre talking about.
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Baptism, communion, conformation, holy order, marriage, reconsiliation, last rights, are the 7 Catholic blessed sacraments. I apologize if i misspelled anything I'm a machinist not an english major lol.
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I'm interested in mainstream, generally accepted, but if I had to nail it down, I would like to know what each of you, in your own individual belief, say are the real sacraments? If there are differences I will pull the ones that are common to all and go from there.

You know this is a loaded question don't you?

Gosh, what trap can buzz be leading us in to now? Muahahahahahahaha.....
I am not a religious man. You are retarded.
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Number one thing that is important to me when bringing someone to Christ is Christ. Once that person has accepted Christ they are set. The other Things (Baptism, Confession, marriage etc) are out ward signs of an Inward Relationship with Christ. If they are done just as out ward signs (with no relationship to Christ) then it's the equivalent of a person walking up on stage and doing the cha-cha Slide. It means nothing. Christianity is about the inward changing of the soul. Not the outward appearance. It's about allowing the God of the universe to do the changing inside.

So your saying the fact the only/my reasons (health insurance for her and tax credits) I contemplate marrying my girlfriend / baby mamma are going to bring me "closer" to god???? That bitch better get a job with bennies...
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So your saying the fact the only/my reasons (health insurance for her and tax credits) I contemplate marrying my girlfriend / baby mamma are going to bring me "closer" to god???? That bitch better get a job with bennies...
Christian Marriage and Secular Marriage are completely different things....For the most part. I think that's why most of you guys think I'm living in a Fantasy world. According to my beliefs Marriage is one of the biggest parallels to Christ and the Church there is. That's also why we hold it in such high Regard. I will say this though, Maybe the reason our Marriage works the way it does is because we're using it in the way God intended. Not for our own Selfish Gains.
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Baptism, communion, conformation, holy order, marriage, reconsiliation, last rights, are the 7 Catholic blessed sacraments. I apologize if i misspelled anything I'm a machinist not an english major lol.
Thanks!

So the Catholic list is different than the Christian, Lutheran, etc?
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So the Catholic list is different than the Christian, Lutheran, etc?
Roman Catholicism is a denomination of the Christian Church. They believe it to be the "true" church because it was derived from the 'original' church the 12 started. Alot of people say just Catholic Church but this is not the proper term because the Catholic church is the 'Universal' Church, or the Body of Christ. All Denominations that follow the core Christian Beliefs are considered the Catholic Church. Roman Catholic (although it is quite large and well Established) is like saying Methodist, Lutheran, Baptist So on and so forth.

Just like any human institution the Roman Catholic church had been become corrupt and that's why we had the Protestant movement from which Lutheran, Methodist, ETC came from. I don't have any problem with Roman Catholics, just to clarify. They CAN be some of the Strongest Christians, but often are not.

The Roman Catholic Sacraments are great if they (as I've said before) are an outward action of an Inward Commitment, Unfortunately, it's not often thought that way. I have known Many Catholics that look at it as a list of things to do to get into heaven. IT'S NOT. This is where the problem, IMO, lies. Oddly enough history has repeated it self in this very instance. The Hebrew Religion had turned into that same thing, although it was supposed to be. They had rules and laws that became more important then the reason for those laws and rules, To get closer to God. It's no different here; we, as humans, made rules and thing that at first helped make a Relationship with God better but then started to just do those things because we HAD to not because we WANTED to. Humans tend to forget the reason behind the sacraments and just do them out of Obligation. This is not the reason for them. Christ showed that to the Hebrew Religion and The Starters of the Protestant Movement knew that too.

^^Don't know why I posted all that. But that is the reason you have different opinions between denominations.
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Roman Catholicism is a denomination of the Christian Church. They believe it to be the "true" church because it was derived from the 'original' church the 12 started. Alot of people say just Catholic Church but this is not the proper term because the Catholic church is the 'Universal' Church, or the Body of Christ. All Denominations that follow the core Christian Beliefs are considered the Catholic Church. Roman Catholic (although it is quite large and well Established) is like saying Methodist, Lutheran, Baptist So on and so forth.

Just like any human institution the Roman Catholic church had been become corrupt and that's why we had the Protestant movement from which Lutheran, Methodist, ETC came from. I don't have any problem with Roman Catholics, just to clarify. They CAN be some of the Strongest Christians, but often are not.

The Roman Catholic Sacraments are great if they (as I've said before) are an outward action of an Inward Commitment, Unfortunately, it's not often thought that way. I have known Many Catholics that look at it as a list of things to do to get into heaven. IT'S NOT. This is where the problem, IMO, lies. Oddly enough history has repeated it self in this very instance. The Hebrew Religion had turned into that same thing, although it was supposed to be. They had rules and laws that became more important then the reason for those laws and rules, To get closer to God. It's no different here; we, as humans, made rules and thing that at first helped make a Relationship with God better but then started to just do those things because we HAD to not because we WANTED to. Humans tend to forget the reason behind the sacraments and just do them out of Obligation. This is not the reason for them. Christ showed that to the Hebrew Religion and The Starters of the Protestant Movement knew that too.

^^Don't know why I posted all that. But that is the reason you have different opinions between denominations.
Oaky, so I can see, for example, how confession would be a way to get closer to God because you don't need to go to church to do it, but what about something like marriage? How is the purpose of that to become closer to God if you need a church to do it?
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Oaky, so I can see, for example, how confession would be a way to get closer to God because you don't need to go to church to do it, but what about something like marriage? How is the purpose of that to become closer to God if you need a church to do it?
Marriage is a Sacrament of the church because it is a EXACT parallel to the Relationship Christ has with his Church. In a (Christian) marriage the man is to sacrifice himself for his Wife as Christ did for the church. Ultimately a marriage is to be centered around Christ and his Gospel and this can Make the couple grow closer together both in them selves and to God. I, as a husband, am supposed to encourage my wife Spiritually, emotional, and Physically every day and Make sure she is seeking after God in her life. She is supposed to do the same to me. What's great about that is that she can see where I am Failing where I can't and I can see where she is failing while she can't. Just Like Christ does for us.

Also, 'Church' Is not always refering to a Building. A building is a Building but a church is a Group of Believers (2 or more) that are fellow shipping and Helping one another. In essence, we are a Church in our own house. Temples of the Living God.
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This is the Luthern definition of a Sacrement:
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Martin Luther defined a sacrament as an act or rite:

1. instituted by God;
2. in which God Himself has joined His Word of promise to the visible element;
3. by which He offers, gives and seals the forgiveness of sin earned by Christ
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I haven't been a Baptist for quite some time, but I'll do my best.

The Baptists don't really identify sacraments as such, and generally do not ascribe supernatural power to human rituals. They do have a great deal of reverence for the symbolism in the rituals, though, and view two of them as an essential part of Christian practice: Baptism and the Lord's Supper (Communion or Eucharist). These are called "pictorial ordinances," because they were both demonstrated by and ordained by Christ during his earthly ministry.

Obviously, baptism is important to Baptists. They usually practice full immersion baptism--the entire body goes under the water--and it is typically reserved for people who have a full awareness of the significance of the event. They do not, as a rule, baptise infants. Baptism is not usually viewed as having any salvific power; it is merely a public symbolic act.

Communion is taken irregularly. Some congregations take it weekly, and others more infrequently. Monthly seems to be the norm, as far as I have seen. Again, there is no supernatural event associated with the Lord's Supper--it is purely symbolic.
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Marriage is a Sacrament of the church because it is a EXACT parallel to the Relationship Christ has with his Church. So then marriage could possibly be described as a very powerful way to walk with Christ? In a (Christian) marriage the man is to sacrifice himself for his Wife as Christ did for the church. Ultimately a marriage is to be centered around Christ and his Gospel and this can Make the couple grow closer together both in them selves and to God. I, as a husband, am supposed to encourage my wife Spiritually, emotional, and Physically every day and Make sure she is seeking after God in her life. She is supposed to do the same to me. What's great about that is that she can see where I am Failing where I can't and I can see where she is failing while she can't. Just Like Christ does for us.

Also, 'Church' Is not always refering to a Building. A building is a Building but a church is a Group of Believers (2 or more) that are fellow shipping and Helping one another. In essence, we are a Church in our own house. Temples of the Living God.
My reference to confessional and church was rhetorical. Thereagain, it could be said that confessional doesn't have to happen in a building, but it does require 2 or more people...
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