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Old June 10th, 2010, 05:39 PM   #21
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Agreed.

Interesting that none of the Republicans are shouting out their solutions so far.....

*crickets*

I agree with Bruce. Leave them with nothing. The problem is not the sponging off the system. It is the lack of enforcement. The bums need to be policed better with a system with more effective metrics that has stronger requirements of the bums.
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Agreed.

Interesting that none of the Republicans are shouting out their solutions so far.....

*crickets*
Could be because they don't respect you enough to rebuttal.
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Old June 11th, 2010, 05:09 AM   #24
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Could be because they don't respect you enough to rebuttal.


RE biobill's question; personally I'm not a dem or rep but tend to agree more with rep ways. I agree with the others, for those that can work and won't (I have a brother in law that falls into this category) let them work or starve. If they can't find work, they should be out picking up trash, painting over graffiti or any other of the countless things that need to be done that we don't have tax dollars to do. Sitting on your ass and collecting a check off the labor of others is purely a drain on society.
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I think the government aid money should be given on a daily basis, but to get your daily cheque you need to show up at the city hall every morning, be given an assignment, and work from 9-5, at the end of the day they hand out cheques to those who showed up.

Though I’m sure this would never happen, and would be almost impossible to implement, it could work. If the people were too lazy or stoned to show up, they don’t get paid. And if they end up getting hungry, they can still show up and work when they want or need.

On top of the people having to work for their money, they would be benefiting the community, and a state that’s going bankrupt would at least get something for their money.
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Bill, you're a republican because you work, and don't have 11teen kids, and you're not a dirtass, well, mostly.
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I'm willing to keep paying the 30% I'm paying now, but have it spent differently. That, and to roll back the Bush and Reagan tax cuts for the top 2% so they pay more than the 15% they pay now. That's how much. And it would cover it.

Actually, what Bush borrowed to pay for Iraq would have covered most of it for the same amount of time. The research has been done. The facts are out there. $2 TRILLION he indebted us to to go to Iraq, when we could have used that money here. It did nothing to catch Bin Laden. It did nothing to avenge 9/11. It did nothing to slow terrorism. The Islamic Jihad is now stronger than ever thanks to our invasion.

You guys crack me up. We can model our public assistance programs, for example, after several other countries, that REQUIRE you to do public service work in order to get your assistance check. You can't just sit home and collect. You work, or you go to school. And they don't require on a BOOMING, private, FOR PROFIT, prison industry to take in billions of dollars using free labor to the same work.

There are tons more answers. I can go on and on. But you guys are so fixated and frightened out of your wits by the the right-wing pundits that you aren't even willing to listen. You insult and name-call.
Honestly, I do not think you'll find too many people here that would disagree with what you typed above in your first paragraph. I agree that we can help a lot more people with the monies already collected, but there's one obstacle that keeps getting in the way:

Politicians.

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Old June 11th, 2010, 07:39 AM   #28
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I’m for a hand up not a hand out… In other words if my tax dollars have to go to all the social programs they should be available to help for the short term (very short)… I get so sick of the entitlement mentality that has invaded our country like a plague…. To hear people talk about how the Government should take care of everything and everyone, that we’re entitled to it, that we’re entitled to free healthcare it just makes me sick!! What happened to individuals wanting to succeed on their own, to better themselves and to provide a good life for their families?

To be totally honest I think we should wipe out all the social programs as a whole… What happened to FAMILIES and neighbors helping one another in times of need? Why does the Government have to take care of anyone? Why does the Government have to spend my tax dollars taking care of a bunch of disengaged welts on society? Cut them all loose, they will either go to work or starve thus allowing our society to flourish…
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I’m for a hand up not a hand out… In other words if my tax dollars have to go to all the social programs they should be available to help for the short term (very short)… I get so sick of the entitlement mentality that has invaded our country like a plague…. To hear people talk about how the Government should take care of everything and everyone, that we’re entitled to it, that we’re entitled to free healthcare it just makes me sick!! What happened to individuals wanting to succeed on their own, to better themselves and to provide a good life for their families? I don't think (and most people I know) that we are "entitled" to healthcare, I just believe that given how far we've come as a people, we should be able to provide outstanding healthcare to everyone instead of spending it on illegal invasions and such.

To be totally honest I think we should wipe out all the social programs as a whole… What happened to FAMILIES and neighbors helping one another in times of need? Why does the Government have to take care of anyone? Why does the Government have to spend my tax dollars taking care of a bunch of disengaged welts on society? Based on what you are saying, YOU are what happened to it. Cut them all loose, they will either go to work or starve thus allowing our society to flourish…
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See?
See what???? That you’re a liberal that is coming through loud an clear…
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See what???? That you’re a liberal that is coming through loud an clear…
From Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: lib·er·al
Pronunciation: \ˈli-b(ə-)rəl\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free; perhaps akin to Old English lēodan to grow, Greek eleutheros free
Date: 14th century
1 a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts <liberal education> b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
2 a : marked by generosity : openhanded <a liberal giver> b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way <a liberal meal> c : ample, full
3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : licentious
4 : not literal or strict : loose <a liberal translation>
5 : broad-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
6 a : of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives



So tell me, exactly which part of that is something I should be ashamed of?
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From Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: lib·er·al
Pronunciation: \ˈli-b(ə-)rəl\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free; perhaps akin to Old English lēodan to grow, Greek eleutheros free
Date: 14th century
1 a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts <liberal education> b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
2 a : marked by generosity : openhanded <a liberal giver> b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way <a liberal meal> c : ample, full
3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : licentious
4 : not literal or strict : loose <a liberal translation>
5 : broad-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
6 a : of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives



So tell me, exactly which part of that is something I should be ashamed of?
Nothing... Be true to who you are and what you believe in and I will do the same... Nothing wrong with that... We all have our own views and beliefs... That doesn't make mine or yours more right than the other, just different… We can’t always agree on everything, wouldn’t it be boring if we did…
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Old June 14th, 2010, 02:45 PM   #33
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http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html



Them damn always spending our money .

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http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html



Them damn always spending our money .
lafn.org? Might want to point out that their source is the U.S. Treasury.

I started a thread a while back about the Two Santa Clause agenda. http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthr...ighlight=santa

As you can imagine, it wasn't very popular with the Republicans.

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Nothing... Be true to who you are and what you believe in and I will do the same... Nothing wrong with that... We all have our own views and beliefs... That doesn't make mine or yours more right than the other, just different… We can’t always agree on everything, wouldn’t it be boring if we did…
Well let me ask you this Bear buddy. What things in the definition of liberal do you oppose?
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Well let me ask you this Bear buddy. What things in the definition of liberal do you oppose?
Honestly I think it’s a lot of …. Lets just say that I don’t think it accurately portrays the current liberal democrat party… I don’t want to get into a big debate on this, we just have different views…
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Honestly I think it’s a lot of …. Lets just say that I don’t think it accurately portrays the current liberal democrat party… I don’t want to get into a big debate on this, we just have different views…
So you can:

1. Bring it up in the first place, and
2. Do it as if it were some kind of insult, then
3. Refuse to discuss it...

Hmmmm.... Okay dude. Whatever.
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So you can:

1. Bring it up in the first place, and
2. Do it as if it were some kind of insult, then
3. Refuse to discuss it...

Hmmmm.... Okay dude. Whatever.
Dude… I think it’s a huge load of BS and has no relevance once so ever… It doesn’t even come close to accurately defining/portraying the current democrat party, its policies, or positions on anything… Judging by your posts all you seem to want to do is start crap with anyone you can… I don’t have time for this whatever… So everyone on this site knows what a liberal entitlement whiner you are so lets just leave it at that.
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Seems to me that "politician" had a flawed definition.

If I were to define Democrats as those with whom I relate, we believe that America has come too far and worked too hard for us to not provide equal and equitable, basic things like:
education (through college)
healthcare
strong public infrastructure
environmental safety and protection
protection from enemies both domestic and foreign
the right to live in relative freedom but not the right to injure or steal from others The exact opposite of what our liberal government is doing
the freedom to have any religion you want (or none at all)
no government endorsed religion
maintaining an adequate military to protect our borders and staying out of other countries unless the effort is lateral with other united nations

I could go on and on, but for some reason Republicans think my beliefs are evil and unacceptable. From what I can see they want:
one government endorsed and enforced religion
the freedom to pollute the waters our children drink
the freedom to steal from the American public by implementing financial policies and activities that are downright criminal
the freedom for corporations to essentially buy and sell every politician from here forward with complete impunity (latest supreme court decision)
the freedom to privatize profits and to socialize losses
illegally wiretap
torture
invade countries that are not a threat
borrow huge sums of money from foreign countries
ship our industry overseas
import goods without equal trade policies, putting our nation at a disadvantage

I could go on and on, and if you like, I will be happy to list specific examples of several of these issues over which we've argued, but I think you all know the truth.

I could go on and on


You're a fucking retard.

So by your logic, since your are a liberal, I can assume you are a tree-hugging, prius driving faggot. Just for the record, every conservative I have ever meet belives in nothing you have listed above under "what blieve in." Republicans don't believe in shipping industry over seas either, they are for this thing called "Free Market & Trade." You should look into it some time. They don't believe in protectionism to save the precious union jobs.

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Them damn always spending our money .
Im not the greatest historian but doesnt the high debt coordinate with war times?

I remember in Reagan times we had something going on and in 90 when I graduated Desert Storm was going on...

then it starts to decline til 2001 whan 911 happened and we went back to Iraq. Its not increasing our national debt... wouldnt it be war times that is increasing it?
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