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Old June 11th, 2010, 04:47 PM   #21
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#3. This disaster happened in US Federal waters and the president/administration should have done SOMETHING other than wait a month and a half to do whatever it is they have done up to this point.
It did not happen in US Federal waters. The rig was located in International waters. The oil took time to reach US Federal Waters. He had to wait, but is still failing to take sufficient action now that it is within our "borders".
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Interesting. 69 views so far and no Republicans answering the hard questions...

*crickets*
It's not his job to interfear with private business. In this matter he could as said keep in contact with BP CEO and make like he actually cares what goes on, but its about him not the country.
Obama is the largets receiver of finacial contributions from BP so why bitch at the guys that gave you a ton of cash for political contributions.
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Old June 11th, 2010, 05:20 PM   #23
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It did not happen in US Federal waters. The rig was located in International waters. The oil took time to reach US Federal Waters. He had to wait, but is still failing to take sufficient action now that it is within our "borders".
okay.... you are correct, the rig was in international waters, but the results of the disaster have come lapping in to federal waters. even before it reached federal waters the adminstration should have done something in order to limit the amount of oil reaching OUR shores.

oh by the way, just more proof...... OBAMA SUCKS
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BP is also the number one supplier of fuel and oil to the U.S. Military. Yes the rig blew up. Nothing can stop that now. This should not be about whos fault it is at this point it is about cleaning up and protecting our shoreline and the american people, The local law makers in that area are stepping up and doing their best with what they have why cant the US government. And if Obama would rather give $400,000,000.00 to Gaza that is so covered in corruption instead of first helping the homeland then F#&k him.
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Interesting. 69 views so far and no Republicans answering the hard questions...

*crickets*
Thats because we are out working to support the people who put Obama in office. And I am not a republican I am a Patriot.
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It did not happen in US Federal waters. The rig was located in International waters. The oil took time to reach US Federal Waters. He had to wait, but is still failing to take sufficient action now that it is within our "borders".
Sorry, I don't believe there is waiting period that any country has to abide by to jump in and help stop a disaster from growing. The US doesn't seem to worry about waiting to get help to countries that have tsunamis and earthquakes hit them.
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And anyway, people have not figured out the game that is being played by the Obama team with the whole oil spill situation. The government wants to control everything... health care, auto industry, housing market, financial system, student loans, you name it. Seems kind of odd that they have stood on the sidelines for so long and done nothing about this.

Simple explanation: If they would have jumped in right away, and started a containment effort, especially with the Dutch offering to help with equipment that they have to deal with this effectively, the spill would probably still be relatively small with minimal damage to the ecosystem. Environmentalists and anti-drillers still wouldn't have a leg to stand on. But...

By doing nothing but watch it get bigger, and bigger, and bigger, it gives Obama his reason for moratoriums, more regulations and lawsuits, and it gives the environmentalists all kinds of ammunition to keep screaming about "no more drilling", alternative energy, oil is evil, blah blah blah.

The Libs have obviously been against oil all along. By letting the spill get to monumental proportions only helps them push their agenda even easier.
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Obama did just what he does, Hes keeping the boot on the throat of BP. And you'll be next, then you can think about taking that obama sticker off your car.
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Obama did just what he does, Hes keeping the boot on the throat of BP. And you'll be next, then you can think about taking that obama sticker off your car.



SAY WHAT!!!!

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Obama did just what he does, Hes keeping the boot on the throat of the American people.
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And anyway, people have not figured out the game that is being played by the Obama team with the whole oil spill situation. The government wants to control everything... health care, auto industry, housing market, financial system, student loans, you name it. Seems kind of odd that they have stood on the sidelines for so long and done nothing about this.

Simple explanation: If they would have jumped in right away, and started a containment effort, especially with the Dutch offering to help with equipment that they have to deal with this effectively, the spill would probably still be relatively small with minimal damage to the ecosystem. Environmentalists and anti-drillers still wouldn't have a leg to stand on. But...

By doing nothing but watch it get bigger, and bigger, and bigger, it gives Obama his reason for moratoriums, more regulations and lawsuits, and it gives the environmentalists all kinds of ammunition to keep screaming about "no more drilling", alternative energy, oil is evil, blah blah blah.

The Libs have obviously been against oil all along. By letting the spill get to monumental proportions only helps them push their agenda even easier.
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I dont care whose fault it was, the leak needs to be stopped before any clean up can be done and all the verbal assaults and "boots on the throats" rhetoric isnt helping anyone or anything. Who ever has a plan to help should be allowed to present their ideas to get this BS stopped and the clean up effort underway.
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It's not his job to interfear with private business. In this matter he could as said keep in contact with BP CEO and make like he actually cares what goes on, but its about him not the country.
Obama is the largets receiver of finacial contributions from BP so why bitch at the guys that gave you a ton of cash for political contributions.
Tell that to the guys over at GM.
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AGB, why have you been such an antagonistic douchnozzle the last few days?

I consider myself a conservative but I don't feel government should take over the problem of the oil spill at this point. I feel that the oil industry needs to continue their efforts to stop the leak. If anything, the goverment should possibly get involved in any cleanup efforts.

What do you think should be done? Should we print more money to take care of this problem? Should we put somebody in charge that has no experience with the oil industry, Should we financially cripple BP so they cannot continue their efforts to contain the leak?

Please tell us your grand plan O wise one. You seem to have everthing figured out, prove it.
I was asking questions. Why is it that asking questions around here is "antagonistic"?

I heard right wing pundits criticizing Obama on this and it raised the questions I posted. Simple, straightforward questions. Nothing to be angry about.

I have no grand plan to solve this crisis, however the grand plan to prevent such crisis are to reform the regulatory process. I suspect most of you don't know the changes Bush and Cheney made while in office, and how their stripping of regulatory oversight and switching to "voluntary compliance" are why we had this problem in the first place, but I suspect that even if I posted every change they made it would still be defended by the righties.
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And anyway, people have not figured out the game that is being played by the Obama team with the whole oil spill situation. The government wants to control everything... health care, auto industry, housing market, financial system, student loans, you name it. Seems kind of odd that they have stood on the sidelines for so long and done nothing about this.

Simple explanation: If they would have jumped in right away, and started a containment effort, especially with the Dutch offering to help with equipment that they have to deal with this effectively, the spill would probably still be relatively small with minimal damage to the ecosystem. Environmentalists and anti-drillers still wouldn't have a leg to stand on. But...

By doing nothing but watch it get bigger, and bigger, and bigger, it gives Obama his reason for moratoriums, more regulations and lawsuits, and it gives the environmentalists all kinds of ammunition to keep screaming about "no more drilling", alternative energy, oil is evil, blah blah blah.

The Libs have obviously been against oil all along. By letting the spill get to monumental proportions only helps them push their agenda even easier.


Based on the timeline I'd say much was done. The interesting thing about you guys is that your pundits: Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc. all ignore these facts and just scream criticisms because they know you guys won't bother to do your own independent research to verify the facts.

It's easy to post a timeline leaving these things OUT, then saying nothing was done. That's witholding evidence. But when all the facts are included your arguments have no validity.


April 20 (10 p.m.): Oil rig explosion. An April 21 ABCNews.com article reported, "An overnight explosion in the Gulf of Mexico rocked the Deepwater Horizon oil rig off the Louisiana coast, sending spectacular bursts of flame into the sky. The fires were still raging today." The U.S. Coast Guard's National Oil and Hazardous Substances Response System assigns primary responsibility for cleaning up oil spills to the spiller as the responsible party.

April 21: Deputy Secretary of Interior, Coast Guard dispatched to region. An April 22 White House statement noted that following a briefing with President Obama, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Thad Allen, Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, EPA Deputy Administrator Bob Perciasepe, and FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate, "Deputy Secretary of the Interior David Hayes was dispatched to the region yesterday to assist with coordination and response." The Coast Guard announced that four units were responding to the fire, with additional units en route.

•Search and rescue efforts begin for 11 missing. An initial focus of the response was the search for 11 missing crewmembers. The search was called off April 23.
•BP confirms U.S. Coast Guard was "leading the emergency response" In an April 21 press release, British Petroleum stated that it was "working closely with Transocean and the U.S. Coast Guard, which is leading the emergency response, and had been offering its help - including logistical support."
•CNN.com: "The U.S. Coast Guard launched a major search effort." An April 22 CNN.com article reported:
The U.S. Coast Guard launched a major search effort Wednesday for 11 people missing after a "catastrophic" explosion aboard an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico engulfed the drilling platform in flames.

Another 17 people were injured -- three critically -- in the blast aboard the Deepwater Horizon, which occurred about 10 p.m. Tuesday. The rig was about 52 miles southeast of Venice, Louisiana, said Coast Guard Senior Chief Petty Officer Mike O'Berry. As of late afternoon Wednesday as many as six firefighting vessels were working to contain the massive fire caused by the explosion.

"It obviously was a catastrophic event," O'Berry said.

April 23: Coast Guard "focused on mitigating the impact of the product currently in the water." On April 23, the Coast Guard stated:

The Department of the Interior, MMS [the U.S. Minerals Management Service], and the Coast Guard continue to support the efforts of the responsible parties to secure all potential sources of pollution. Both federal agencies have technical teams in place overseeing the proposals by BP and Transocean to completely secure the well. Until that has occurred and all parties are confident the risk of additional spill is removed, a high readiness posture to respond will remain in place.

Although the oil appears to have stopped flowing from the well head, Coast Guard, BP, Transocean, and MMS remain focused on mitigating the impact of the product currently in the water and preparing for a worst-case scenario in the event the seal does not hold. Visual feed from deployed remotely operated vehicles with sonar capability is continually monitored in an effort to look for any crude oil which still has the potential to emanate from the subsurface well.

"From what we have observed yesterday and through the night, we are not seeing any signs of release of crude in the subsurface area. However we remain in a 'ready to respond' mode and are working in a collaborative effort with BP, the responsible party, to prepare for a worst-case scenario," Landry stated early Friday morning.

April 25: Response team implements plan to contain oil spilling from source, weather delays cleanup.

•Storms delay response efforts. An April 25 Associated Press article reported, "Stormy weather delayed weekend efforts to mop up leaking oil from a damaged well after the explosion and sinking of a massive rig off Louisiana's Gulf Coast that left 11 workers missing and presumed dead." AP further reported:
The bad weather began rolling in Friday as strong winds, clouds and rain interrupted efforts to contain the spill. Coast Guard Petty Officer John Edwards said he was uncertain when weather conditions would improve enough for cleanup to resume. So far, he said, crews have retrieved about 1,052 barrels of oily water.

•Oil recovery and cleanup were to resume after adverse weather passed. On April 25, the unified command team responding to the spill stated:
The unified command is implementing intervention efforts in an attempt to contain the source of oil emanating from the wellhead at the Deepwater Horizon incident site Sunday.

The unified command has approved a plan that utilizes submersible remote operated vehicles in an effort to activate the blowout preventer on the sea floor and to stop the flow of oil that has been estimated at leaking up to 1,000 barrels/42,000 gallons a day.

Also, BP is mobilizing the DD3, a drilling rig that is expected to arrive Monday to prepare for relief well-drilling operations.

Additionally, the oil recovery and clean-up operations are expected to resume once adverse weather has passed. These efforts are part of the federally approved oil spill contingency plan that is in place to respond to environmental incidents.

April 26: Response crews "to resume skimming operations." On April 26, the response team stated, "Sunday, an aircrew from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service sighted five small whales during an over flight in the vicinity of the oil spill, which currently measures 48 miles by 39 miles at its widest points with varying levels of sheening, and is located 30 miles off the coast of Venice, La." The command team further stated, "Following adverse weather that went through the area, response crews are anticipated to resume skimming operations today," including 1,000 personnel, 10 offshore vessels, 7 skimming boats and more than 14,000 gallons of dispersant. At that point 48,384 gallons of oily water had been collected.

April 28: Federal officials realize spill was far more severe than BP led them to believe. An April 28 New York Times article reported, "Government officials said late Wednesday night that oil might be leaking from a well in the Gulf of Mexico at a rate five times that suggested by initial estimates." The Times further reported:

In a hastily called news conference, Rear Adm. Mary E. Landry of the Coast Guard said a scientist from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration had concluded that oil is leaking at the rate of 5,000 barrels a day, not 1,000 as had been estimated. While emphasizing that the estimates are rough given that the leak is at 5,000 feet below the surface, Admiral Landry said the new estimate came from observations made in flights over the slick, studying the trajectory of the spill and other variables.

An April 30 Associated Press article reported, "For days, as an oil spill spread in the Gulf of Mexico, BP assured the government the plume was manageable, not catastrophic. Federal authorities were content to let the company handle the mess while keeping an eye on the operation." The article continued:

But then government scientists realized the leak was five times larger than they had been led to believe, and days of lulling statistics and reassuring words gave way Thursday to an all-hands-on-deck emergency response. Now questions are sure to be raised about a self-policing system that trusted a commercial operator to take care of its own mishap even as it grew into a menace imperiling Gulf Coast nature and livelihoods from Florida to Texas.

April 29: Napolitano declares spill "of national significance"; BP insists its "plan can handle this spill." On April 29, BP official Doug Suttles appeared on ABC's Good Morning America and stated, "At this point, I believe our plan can handle this spill, and that's what we're doing." That day, Napolitano declared the spill "of national significance," explaining that "we can now draw down assets from across the country, other coastal areas, by way of example; that we will have a centralized communications because the spill is now crossing different regions."

•EPA preparing for oil to hit shore. Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson commented at an April 29 press briefing: "[A]s the oil does hit the shoreline, EPA will provide support to assess the impacts on the coastal shoreline and play a key role in implementing the cleanup. As a daughter of the Gulf Coast, I know that it is our job to ensure people that we will be eyes and ears working with the states who have valuable and vital resources to monitor air, water and land quality." Jackson also stated that the EPA has deployed air-monitoring aircraft "that is gathering information on the impact of the controlled burn on air quality, both in the area of the burn, and, of course, further away."
•AP: "Air Force sends planes to help with Gulf oil spill." An April 30 Associated Press article reported: "Two Air Force planes have been sent to Mississippi and were awaiting orders to start dumping chemicals on the oil spill threatening the coast, as the government worked Friday to determine how large a role the military should play in the cleanup."
•WSJ: Navy joins Obama's "robust response." An April 30 Wall Street Journal article reported that "The U.S. Navy said it will send more than 12 additional miles of inflatable oil booms to the Gulf, as well as seven towable skimming systems and 50 contractors with experience operating the equipment." The article continued: "The Navy is making two large facilities available to the Coast Guard personnel and BP-employed contractors who are currently taking the lead in fighting the spill. Military officials said the booms and skimmers were being sent to a Naval construction base in Gulfport, Miss. The Navy also opened its air base in Pensacola, Fla., to the effort."
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I know you hate having a black president, but Obama has a score of 100 in responding to natural disasters and other emergencies.

When Georgia had a flood last September, Governor Perdue called the White House on a Tuesday, the president had FEMA on the job on Tuesday, and Biden came on Thursday. Even Senators Chambliss and Isakson praised the president for his rapid response.


The folks in Georgia had been in DC protesting against the president that Saturday and the storm hit that Sunday. And guess who the tea partiers were expecting to help them after showing him their asses, talking about socialism, and their disdain for "big government."... Yep, Obama.

Governor Perdue went to Panama. He wasn't even in the state when Biden got here. The Georgians were blaming the president for their problems while the governor left the state.

So why they couldn't pull themselves up by their bootstraps and help themselves instead of depending on the government to do it since they hate it so much?
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SAY WHAT!!!!

Hmmmm.... I thought the idiots with the bumper stickers were supposed to be liberals....? Funny, I don't have any bumper stickers, and this yokel doesn't look like a liberal to me....
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I like your timeline presentation. Would you have time to give us the rundown on the recent Nashville flooding ?

I am not up to speed on that, didn't hear much in the news [not sure why], but understand it was epic.

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Interesting. 69 views so far and no Republicans answering the hard questions...

*crickets*
have not bothered to read all prior responses....here goes:
> feds have the EPA that among other things manages superfund cleanup sites, etc. they could be mobilized to manage troops / national guard that couldl be cleaning up the beaches just like the military has been brought in to assist after torandoes, etc.
> the gov't could mobilize the so called dept of homeland security to work on beach protection and cleanup
> we also have the dept of energy that should be jumping all over this thing and could be mobilized.
>then there are the states that are sitting on their thumbs waiting for the feds to either do something or give the states permission to do something. only today have the LA governor said screw you to the feds and is going to go ahead and start building off shore sand berms.
just a start here.
ultimately, our gov't WANTS this to continue. their agenda is to use this disaster to further their agenda to stop off shore drilling to appease the eco-terrorists that supported their campaign and it will give the feds another reason to nationalize the oil industry.
the pressue at the sea floor is i believe 400+atmospheres. all that weight on the sea floor is likely forcing the sea floor down onto the oil chamber and it's like popping a zit. we don't have any idea what type of pressure is pushing the ground down and forcing the oil out. this one's gonna last for a long time; another penalty we pay for being forced to drill in deep water not closer to the coastline.
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What about the fact that the Federal Government charges every oil company everyday for a fund specifically to clean up future spills. Where exactly did that money go, and if they're always charging for it, where are their capabilities?
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