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Old July 8th, 2010, 08:33 PM   #121
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ok, I do not intend to bash or insult anyone here I respect others choices to belive or not to. In all seriousness I was raised in a beliving home, and have been a member of a few different churches, Methodist, lutheran, and catholic. and quite personaly I feel that they all think that their way is better than the others. how can there even be different churches with different belifes and bibles? IMHO if you are a true christian you need to go leard Hebrew and read the real one. there has been way to much lost in translation ove the last 2000 years, hell just look at what the word gay ment 60 years ago.
One day I was thinking about all the darwin and other similar logic and thougught that it had alot better grasp on the idea of why were here. Awhile passedand I was thinking about it more and more when it hit me, How can i belive anything where if you remove one single bit of evidence (the bible) the whole thing is a bust. You pickin up what I'm puttin down? look at how many other Logical explanations there are from so many different sources.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 08:40 PM   #122
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I was listening to a Podcast from a Guy named Mark Gunger. He explained what we're talking about in a very good way. A Maze.

We're in the maze (Or as I call it, the Human Experience). In many life sized mazes they will have a person high above the maze who can see the whole maze. They usually name him something like "the maze master" or something like that. God is the "maze master" of the human Expierence. He created it. He made us all to go through this maze, With Countless turns and intersections. He doesn't tell us what to do or force us to go the right way. WE can choose to go anyway we want. What Christians should be doing is calling out to the Maze master for guidance. He knows what way will get us to him (or the exit, or heaven, Whatever.).

It gets better. This is completely for an example. It may be horrible, It may not be. But here we go. In the OT Sin entered the world. The "Hedge" of the maze grew out and we couldn't be with, or see, or hear the maze master. He tried to get us to trim out the hedge by following certain rules of purification and Sanctification. We failed because we couldn't really reach the top (or in this case, God's Standards). God Knew this would happen (because he created the Hedge and knows how it would grow) However, He sent his Son (Jesus) to come trim the hedge because he could do it. He trimmed the hedge for us. There is a Joke about the name Jesus and a Gardner (Think Mexican Jesus) but I'll let you but that one together.

The problem with the world is that Jesus's work was perfect but only if we decide to step out into the sections where we can see God and ask for his help. If we don't Accept Jesus's Work on the hedge (his sacrifice for us) we cannot talk to the Maze master because we cannot see him, or hear him, or talk to him. Notice, however, that I never said he cannot see you. He can and tries to get the ones that can see him to help those that can't get back to him.

God knows the end of the maze. He knows how it will end. But he does not force us to walk anyway we don't want to.
sorry but i gotta.If he already knows if we will make it to the end of the maze in the end why would he bother trimming the hedges?
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ok, I do not intend to bash or insult anyone here I respect others choices to belive or not to. In all seriousness I was raised in a beliving home, and have been a member of a few different churches, Methodist, lutheran, and catholic. and quite personaly I feel that they all think that their way is better than the others. how can there even be different churches with different belifes and bibles? IMHO if you are a true christian you need to go leard Hebrew and read the real one. there has been way to much lost in translation ove the last 2000 years, hell just look at what the word gay ment 60 years ago.
One day I was thinking about all the darwin and other similar logic and thougught that it had alot better grasp on the idea of why were here. Awhile passedand I was thinking about it more and more when it hit me, How can i belive anything where if you remove one single bit of evidence (the bible) the whole thing is a bust. You pickin up what I'm puttin down? look at how many other Logical explanations there are from so many different sources.
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Translations : Alot of them are actually derived straight from the original Text. Or the closest original text. Some being with in a hundred years of the time it happened. I completely agree that every person should learn Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic but that's alot of work. Not everybody is willing to do that. That's why we have translations.

Contextual Viewing: I also believe that there is a Certain amount of Context you have to get to get the most out of the bible and make it Relevant to us in this culture. You can't just pick and choose a Single verse (some times). Culture has a Huge part of the authors writings. I think alot of people misread thier bibles because they forget this.

This and alot of people don't fully understand the WHOLE bible. It's a Completely story from beginning to end. There are parts in the beginning that are 'canceled out' by actions in the end. Those things are huge in the understanding of the bible.

Different Churches: We have different Churches because people are different. What you'll find, however, is that most, if not all, believe a Core set of beliefs. Those being centered around the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I think you have the differences because of the fact that humans are different. We're not cookie Cutter beings. We have different viewpoints. Different Churches appeal to different kinds of people.

Darwin : If you take away Darwin's thoughts from his "origins of the Species" book, It's a bust. Or, for another example, you can take away time from the equation and all of a sudden evoultion doesn't work. You have to have faith in somethings in pretty much any thought process.

I've said it many times as well, Logically speaking it's more logical for me to believe in God then not to. This is because of the Physical, emotional, and spiritual experiences I've had with him. This doesn't qualify my belief to you, not does your lack of experience take away from my faith.

My wife is a graduate of the Natural Science department at MSU. Her degree was basically a evolution degree because of the nature of it. Zoological Sciences. Even she doesn't see alot of logic with evolution in the higher reaches of it. That and after having to study the complexity of human/animal cells in detail and having to accept that it was all an accident. It's like walking into a GM Car plant and thinking "wow, it's amazing how all these parts just happened to connect at the exact time and create cars." Everybody knows that there is design behind a Car Plant. The Cellular world is exactly the same.

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sorry but i gotta.If he already knows if we will make it to the end of the maze in the end why would he bother trimming the hedges?
Because if he didn't we would end up at the wrong exit. Destination is key. We CANNOT get to the "heaven" exit by our selves. Per God's Standards, it's impossible.
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