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Old June 9th, 2010, 10:16 PM   #41
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You may be surprised as to how much of Europe they have taken over. There are parts of Britan that are strickly muslim. By sheer numbers they will over take the country. Then they introduce thier laws(sharea law) and everybody must obey their laws also.
That's why I said when they take over the rest of the world . But people here wont go for that shit . it will be war in the streets before muslim law.
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Old June 9th, 2010, 10:27 PM   #42
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With our immigration problem we will be a nation of muslims real soon and then you will wish we were a nation of Christians again. If you think your rights are being trampled on now wait to see what the muslims will do to you and your rights.
Our "immigration problem" is mostly from Central and South American countries, which are mostly Christian.
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Old June 9th, 2010, 10:30 PM   #43
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You may be surprised as to how much of Europe they have taken over. There are parts of Britan that are strickly muslim. By sheer numbers they will over take the country. Then they introduce thier laws(sharea law) and everybody must obey their laws also.
Which is why I object to laws based strickly on religious values.
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But how do You know We were not a copy of something from someplace else?

The universe is very big place. To think We know what is going on is pretty arrogant
It's funny you use this example here but others have said that the universe is the SAME and that's why we can assume we are right from our viewpoint. Just saying.

I never said we weren't. I just said that it's not them being God. From my viewpoint, it's just them Coping God. They are not creating life, they are Mimicking it. Just like the lighting bolt experiment. Maybe if that Cell grows up it will see us and say "Hey, I can see that I am a Complex organism and you much have created me". For some odd reason, We can't do that.
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It's funny you use this example here but others have said that the universe is the SAME and that's why we can assume we are right from our viewpoint. Just saying.

I never said we weren't. I just said that it's not them being God. From my viewpoint, it's just them Coping God. They are not creating life, they are Mimicking it. Just like the lighting bolt experiment. Maybe if that Cell grows up it will see us and say "Hey, I can see that I am a Complex organism and you much have created me". For some odd reason, We can't do that.
How can anyone say what the universe holds. We don't even have our planet figured out.
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How can anyone say what the universe holds. We don't even have our planet figured out.
Exactly, which is why I have to believe in at least the possiblity of the existance of god.
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Old June 9th, 2010, 10:51 PM   #47
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Exactly, which is why I have to believe in at least the possiblity of the existance of god.
I believe in the possiblity of a god . I don't know if god is real or not but I myself have not seen proof to make Me a believer . and even if I did believe in god who is to say what religion is the right path to get to Him , it or what ever a god should be called.
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How can anyone say what the universe holds. We don't even have our planet figured out.
Exactly my point. But we'll teach that we do know.
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what is the point of this? the query is loaded. no matter what their reason or justification someone will argue it isn't true. that is why they are "personal beliefs". what is this going to accomplish besides eating up space on a server.
You're still not getting it. I'm not asking them to justify their personal beliefs. I am asking for facts to support that our country was founded as a Christian nation. Facts. That's all I'm asking for.
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Exactly! no REASONABLE (read: real) Christian is the terrible, self-righteous prick the OP depicts, especially in point 3.
Hmmm... I asked questions, not "depict(ed)" anything. You inferred that on your own. Given the bravado of Christians for their moral rightness and you little tirade of liberal evil, I think you are saying it, not me.
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But they would not have writen "creator" had they not believed that there was one.
I believe there was a "creator" too. Carbon being one of them. I don't, however, believe there was a conscience involved, nor an intent. So where does that leave us?
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You're still not getting it. I'm not asking them to justify their personal beliefs. I am asking for facts to support that our country was founded as a Christian nation. Facts. That's all I'm asking for.

May I refer to "your" question number 3

3. Please tell me how belief in your God makes you a better or more moral person than people like me.


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Because I am a Christian I know that I am "Not" a better person. We are all sinners in the eyes of the Lord. If you did proper research you would know that.
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they are going the wrong way and they need to turn around. Who are you to judge what is the right or wrong way? There's that arrogance.
show me your friends and I will tell you who you will become. Hmmm.... If I didn't know better, I would think that you are suggesting that you could "sink to a nonbelievers level... Seems a bit arrogant. Again.
I have friends that are not believers and they are great to hang with but too much of that and I could begin to be like them and be influenced by them in ways that are not Christian like. And again...

We are a nation of many religions. Our founding fathers intended this nation to be a Christian nation Of course you will be completely unable to post ANY proof of that statement. Go ahead. I challenge you and all of your Christian buddies to do it. You can't. You lose.
I found a website called wallbuilders.com that has historical info on our founding fathers and thier outlook for this country
There's tons more historical FACTS, as in the actual writings of the founding fathers, that clearly state that they were NOT creating a Christian nation.
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I've discussed all of this before. I'm staying out of this one (maybe).
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Thank you, Brewmenn
I continue to show him were to look but I think he wants to get under my skin and see if he can make me mad.
Been there. Fine. But if they were such hardcore Christians, why did they create a godless Constitution?
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You may be surprised as to how much of Europe they have taken over. There are parts of Britan that are strickly muslim. By sheer numbers they will over take the country. Then they introduce thier laws(sharea law) and everybody must obey their laws also.
Funny. You seem to want us to obey YOURS.
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May I refer to "your" question number 3

3. Please tell me how belief in your God makes you a better or more moral person than people like me.


and my answer:
Because I am a Christian I know that I am "Not" a better person. We are all sinners in the eyes of the Lord. If you did proper research you would know that.
So may I, now and forever, state clearly for the record, that you are NOT a better or MORE MORAL person than people like me?
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Our founding fathers were mostly devout Christians. However, they saw the great importance of separating church/state. We are a country based on religious freedom. No one religion is meant to be held above the others. Nor are we supposed to make any laws that coerce the people to practice one over another.

"All persons shall have full and free liberty of religious opinion; nor shall any be compelled to frequent or maintain any religious institution." (Thomas Jefferson, 1776).

This shows that what was intended was for people to have a freedom for religion, but also a freedom from religion.

There are many more quotes from Jefferson and others stressing the importance of not putting into law any one religious group's beliefs. Even as a Christian, he knew that his beliefs were in no way to be forced on the population.
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Our founding fathers were mostly devout Christians. However, they saw the great importance of separating church/state. We are a country based on religious freedom. No one religion is meant to be held above the others. Nor are we supposed to make any laws that coerce the people to practice one over another.

"All persons shall have full and free liberty of religious opinion; nor shall any be compelled to frequent or maintain any religious institution." (Thomas Jefferson, 1776).

This shows that what was intended was for people to have a freedom for religion, but also a freedom from religion.

There are many more quotes from Jefferson and others stressing the importance of not putting into law any one religious group's beliefs. Even as a Christian, he knew that his beliefs were in no way to be forced on the population.


We should all keep in mind that those that fled their respective countries did so, in part, because they were being forced to follow some religion that was dictated to them. That was why they ran away and came here. The pilgrims are an excellent example.

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So may I, now and forever, state clearly for the record, that you are NOT a better or MORE MORAL person than people like me?
What is wrong with you?

I've stated that twice.

I've never met you and you post hate speech about my beliefs. Its obvious you know nothing about Chistianity, but try to destroy it by spewing hatred here on a daily basis. Do you realize your mentality is that of terrorist? Your actions are that of someone trying to destroy Christianity, which for a believer, is their life. One more step for you, and you're actions will be crossing that line of insanity. Seriously I don't want to read about you walking into a church with a loaded gun.


Dude, get some help. Please............
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