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Old May 25th, 2010, 11:26 PM   #1
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Default michigan law for securing a vechile on a trailer.

a buddy got a ticket because his backhoe wasnt secured well enough or some bs. he had chains around the axles but the cop said the bucket had to be secured and the hoe had to be secured.. so all for corners and bucket belly plate and hoe? whats this mean for cars 4 straps? could i get away with three? i just would like to see the law i couldnt find it.
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Old May 26th, 2010, 05:47 PM   #2
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can anybody point me where i can find this i looked on michigan law but missed it.
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Was just reading up on some towing stuff on Pirate 4x4. You might take a look at this reply:
Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board - View Single Post - How to strap rig to trailer?

I've usually seen backhoes tied down with a chain around one of the teeth on the bucket. Probably around the arm too.
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The machine as well as all attachments have to be chained down. 4 Corners of the machine, front bucket with one chain, rear bucket with one chain.
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I got a ticket for "Unsecured Load" when hauling some wood for deck, even though everything was tied down. The fine was $500, which I think is aimed to hurt commerical loads. I got it reduced... but I think its called "Unsecured Load" and can be at the whim of an officer.
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You don't need any straps or chains as long as somebody rides in the backhoe to hold the brake to make sure it doesn't move.

Also, remember to install your dune flag to the backhoe if planning on transporting it in this manner.
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The reason for the arm and or bucket to be tied down is in theory and in a couple of occasions the arm has risen going down the road and hit overpasses. The MI DOT cops have become real pricks lately. Instead of pulling some one over and explaining this they do it to write tickets. AND if we have any officers purusing this site, don,t get mad at me cause Ive seen it way to often, seeing is I drive Flatbed for a living.

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i work in an industry where i move a lot of machinery n we have to tie down anything that moves and if it will come off with ease it should b removed. for instance if the back hoe had an interchangeable bucket it should b taken off during transport if the cop felt like being a dick, n our company just got hit with a ticket for not having heavy enough chains on r fork truck even though it weights 15k n we had 2 8800 lbs chains. now we have to use 4 of them chains, so i guess it depends on the cops mood. but I've always tied down the axles on a car, thats my practice.
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The reason for the arm and or bucket to be tied down is in theory and in a couple of occasions the arm has risen going down the road and hit overpasses. The MI DOT cops have become real pricks lately. Instead of pulling some one over and explaining this they do it to write tickets. AND if we have any officers purusing this site, don,t get mad at me cause Ive seen it way to often, seeing is I drive Flatbed for a living.

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i work in an industry where i move a lot of machinery n we have to tie down anything that moves and if it will come off with ease it should b removed. for instance if the back hoe had an interchangeable bucket it should b taken off during transport if the cop felt like being a dick, n our company just got hit with a ticket for not having heavy enough chains on r fork truck even though it weights 15k n we had 2 8800 lbs chains. now we have to use 4 of them chains, so i guess it depends on the cops mood. but I've always tied down the axles on a car, thats my practice.
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How do you figure an 8800 lb chain is enough to secure a 15000 lb load? If I'm understanding this right, you had one at front and one at back. Seeing as both chains were securing in different directions, you were severely under limit. I'm not sure if somehow you think both chains added up to 17600 lbs or not, but they wouldn't unless both chains would be pulling the same direction. This is why you need 4 chains (two on front, two on back). If something were to happen that would cause the trailer to slow or speed up quickly (or for that matter change directions) the two chains in your first scenerio wouldn't have a chance and somebody could get hurt. It has nothing to do with the cops mood. You were not secured properly. Not even close. Had something happened, you would have been grossly negligant and would be sued. Your ticket is cheap compared to other options.
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when i haul cars i use 4 straps to hold it onto the trailer. and i agree with everything about securing a tractor/backhoe. one thing also with construction equipment is you must make sure it does not exceed bridge height. if you have ample room you should extend the boom of a backhoe out flat enough so it's lower then the height of the cab. friend of mine forgot this and took out a low bridge. oops. lol
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I don't agree... a lot of private folks just doing there own thing, shouldn't get a ticket just because they didn't know. Here lately I've been seeing a lot of that An officer has to know the law to enforce it. So when he pulls someone over he should be able to decipher if they didn't know the laws or not. This philosophy that you have to write a ticket no matter what is ignorant. If s person was truly in wrong then ticket them. If they obviously didn't know ,then don't write it.
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Anybody remember when 131 at 76th st was shut down most of the summer for structural damgae whne the excavator boom hit the overpass? How about 96 at Alpine when the backhoe arm swung over and hit a wall? I think it was 131 at 54th where a dumb was raised and hit the overpass. Keep taking shortcuts...
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Hauling a backhoe is a commercial issue. It's different than non commercial hauling.
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What if it is your own personal backhoe for use around the house? Same as not needing a CDL to drive a semi if your not using it for commercial use. (I think)
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What if it is your own personal backhoe for use around the house? Same as not needing a CDL to drive a semi if your not using it for commercial use. (I think)
That's for you to argue with the weighmaster or cop. Not me. I don't think you'll find very many people hauling around a backhoe that they just use for personal non business use.

My son in law has a CDL, DOT numbers on his truck, etc. He gets stopped on a regular basis and inspected. It's part of the game. If you don't know the rules, tough.
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Ummm... no, you're gonna want a license. And a loose load is a loose load, you damage part of the roadway, they'll bill you or your insurance. You hurt somebody, you might go away.
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I don't agree... a lot of private folks just doing there own thing, shouldn't get a ticket just because they didn't know. Here lately I've been seeing a lot of that An officer has to know the law to enforce it. So when he pulls someone over he should be able to decipher if they didn't know the laws or not. This philosophy that you have to write a ticket no matter what is ignorant. If s person was truly in wrong then ticket them. If they obviously didn't know ,then don't write it.
What if I didn't know it was illegal to shoot you? Does that make it ok then because I didn't know better? I should just get a warning from the nice officer I suppose.
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