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Old May 20th, 2010, 12:22 AM   #1
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I need to put the 4:88 gears I have in my D35. The buddy that was going to do it for me has developed a huge drinking problem, and I no longer have faith he will be able to complete the project. I have never done this and do not possess a dial indicator or any other specialized tools that may be required. I still have to purchase an install kit, but I would like to get this done soon.
Would anybody relatively close to me be willing to help me with this for minimal compensation (IE beer/bourbon/that sort of thing)? By “help” really means doing it for me while I watch, LEARN and fetch wrenches.

I have a complete D30 W/4:88’s for the front, and I am confidant I can do that by my self. But I am very leery of tackling a P&P swap on my own.

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Since the ring gear is already mouinted on a carrier, what do in need to buy to instal this? I assume I will need a gasket and some pinion spacers, anything else?
Any info would be apreciated.
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Since the ring gear is already mouinted on a carrier, what do in need to buy to instal this? I assume I will need a gasket and some pinion spacers, anything else?
Any info would be apreciated.
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Dana 35 Overhaul Kit, Includes:

•Pinion and Carrier Bearings(already have good used parts)
•Pinion Seal
•Crush Sleeve or Preload Shims (would be nice to know which it requires)
•Pinion Depth Shims
•Carrier Shims (varies by application)
•Gear Marking Compound
•Loctite® (ring gear is already on the carrier)
•Pinion Nut, O-ring, Baffles, Slinger (varies by application)
•Gasket or Silicon
•Ring Gear Bolts (for applications except some Chrysler and GM 14T)(ring gear is already on the carrier)
•20-page Instruction Manual

so I guess in need a pinon seal & gear marking compound along the shims/spacers and gasket I already listed.
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Since nobody has chimed up to help me with this, can anyone tell me what it should cost to actually take it somewhere? I have never taken a vehicle anywhere for service other than recall warranty work on new vehicles. I have no idea how much a ring and pinion shop would charge and weather or not I would be getting hosed. I don’t know why I am so chicken shit about trying this on my own, but with money so tight I really don’t want to screw it up and be without a my jeep for a long time.
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Since nobody has chimed up to help me with this, can anyone tell me what it should cost to actually take it somewhere? I have never taken a vehicle anywhere for service other than recall warranty work on new vehicles. I have no idea how much a ring and pinion shop would charge and weather or not I would be getting hosed. I don’t know why I am so chicken shit about trying this on my own, but with money so tight I really don’t want to screw it up and be without a my jeep for a long time.
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Dana 35 Overhaul Kit, Includes:

•Pinion and Carrier Bearings(already have good used parts)
•Pinion Seal
•Crush Sleeve or Preload Shims (would be nice to know which it requires)
•Pinion Depth Shims
•Carrier Shims (varies by application)
•Gear Marking Compound
•Loctite® (ring gear is already on the carrier)
•Pinion Nut, O-ring, Baffles, Slinger (varies by application)
•Gasket or Silicon
•Ring Gear Bolts (for applications except some Chrysler and GM 14T)(ring gear is already on the carrier)
•20-page Instruction Manual

so I guess in need a pinon seal & gear marking compound along the shims/spacers and gasket I already listed.
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Since nobody has chimed up to help me with this, can anyone tell me what it should cost to actually take it somewhere? I have never taken a vehicle anywhere for service other than recall warranty work on new vehicles. I have no idea how much a ring and pinion shop would charge and weather or not I would be getting hosed. I don’t know why I am so chicken shit about trying this on my own, but with money so tight I really don’t want to screw it up and be without a my jeep for a long time.
I did chime in, but you started pointing out that you have "good used parts", which in my opinion is the best way to screw up a ring and pinion installation.

I'd do the job for $350 parts and labor.
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I did chime in, but you started pointing out that you have "good used parts", which in my opinion is the best way to screw up a ring and pinion installation.

I'd do the job for $350 parts and labor.
The guy that sold me the used ring and pinion said it only had 1,000 miles on it. Without throwing a mic or dial indicator on anything, by the looks of the gears, bearings and carrier I would tend to believe him.

If this was 2008, George bush was in office and I was still making $30+ an hour, I would be buying everything new including an E locker. Its 2010 obama is in office and I have been employed 7 weeks out the past 11 months. My jeep is my toy and I can’t afford to buy stuff new that doesn't need to be replaced.

I was really hoping to find someone around the corner that has done this a half dozen times and would spend the time to help me with it. I could trade welding/fab and or paint and body work, but I assume anybody that wrenches enough to do ring and pinions can also weld and handle a spray gun (and probably do it better than I)

I stopped at a local R&P shop and got a price similar to yours. I now know how much this costs. I really need to do this on the cheep, so I am going to have to do some research and give it a shot myself. The worst it will cost me is what I spent on the ring and pinion, and the crush sleeve, seal, pinion nut, etc.
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The guy that sold me the used ring and pinion said it only had 1,000 miles on it. Without throwing a mic or dial indicator on anything, by the looks of the gears, bearings and carrier I would tend to believe him.

If this was 2008, George bush was in office and I was still making $30+ an hour, I would be buying everything new including an E locker. Its 2010 obama is in office and I have been employed 7 weeks out the past 11 months. My jeep is my toy and I can’t afford to buy stuff new that doesn't need to be replaced.

I was really hoping to find someone around the corner that has done this a half dozen times and would spend the time to help me with it. I could trade welding/fab and or paint and body work, but I assume anybody that wrenches enough to do ring and pinions can also weld and handle a spray gun (and probably do it better than I)

I stopped at a local R&P shop and got a price similar to yours. I now know how much this costs. I really need to do this on the cheep, so I am going to have to do some research and give it a shot myself. The worst it will cost me is what I spent on the ring and pinion, and the crush sleeve, seal, pinion nut, etc.
I totally get it. If you feel confident about the parts then go for it. At least it's one of the easier axles as far as shimming goes. Use your old inner pinion bearing race as a setup race (you'll need to grind down the OD so it will slide in/out of the housing). From there, it's just setting a proper pattern and backlash on the gears and setting your turning torque.
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I had a fit of insomnia the other night and ordered all the parts around 4 AM the other day. I might be starting this next week.
this is the first time I have ever really dreaded working on a vehicle.
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