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Old May 18th, 2010, 10:19 PM   #1
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Cheesy. They hit this on the head. Alot of Churches like this (not all though) are Shallow in the heavy theology and focus on the "feeling" of church. <Shakes Head>
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Old May 18th, 2010, 10:29 PM   #2
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Old May 19th, 2010, 01:39 AM   #3
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And how is this significantly different that the traditional churches that feature people reciting without thinking the same liturgy week after week, singing hymns written 200 years ago that most people don't even pay attention to or understand the words of, snoozing through a sermon that no one but the preacher understands, dropping a 20 in the collection plate, and going home and resuming their sinful lives safe in the knowledge the they are OK, because they went to church?
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And how is this significantly different that the traditional churches that feature people reciting without thinking the same liturgy week after week, singing hymns written 200 years ago that most people don't even pay attention to or understand the words of, snoozing through a sermon that no one but the preacher understands, dropping a 20 in the collection plate, and going home and resuming their sinful lives safe in the knowledge the they are OK, because they went to church?
It's not really. Kind of. At least the Hymns are based in More solid Biblical Theology then some of the songs that churches like this sing. It's kind of a Parody. I'm not saying these kinds of churches can't be good. I just find them not to be my style. RiverView here in the Lansing Area (holt) is one of these churches and it's a Great church. Unfortunately, alot of these kinds of churches JOIN the all to common traditional churches in having Shallow Sermons and following a Clear Cut Way of going about the service. Dry, Almost Droan like, easy in, Easy out.

What it boils down to is A mixture. You need to do things to attract people to your church. The problem with this is that doing that can become the main goal. Then it becomes more about Quantity then Quality. That's why I dislike alot of churches like this. At a couple here in Lansing I can walk in and walk out with out talking to a single person. Never Noticed. The Sermons are ok but not suburb because they don't know who will be in the Pews (so to speak) the next Sunday. They have no Depth to thier ministry Because it's all about how many people they get in the door. People just don't feel valued but are awestruck at how awesome the Light show was during worship.
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cool story bro.
I'm staying out of this. I wouldn't call this a debatable topic, more of a conversation between those that go to church.
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"where ever two or more are gathered....."

and nowhere in that saying does it require one of the two has to be a preacher, minister, priest, rabbi, eman, monk, shaman, etc.
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I actually agree with LC4X, for completely different reasons. Having stale boring churches like the ones he likes will turn away more people who could then realize religion is bullshit and grasp logic and rationality.
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I actually agree with LC4X, for completely different reasons. Having stale boring churches like the ones he likes will turn away more people who could then realize religion is bullshit and grasp logic and rationality.
Being religious does not negate all logic and rationality, nor does it equal bullshit. Taking that stance is very hypocritical with your opinions of how religious people feel about you.
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Being religious does not negate all logic and rationality, nor does it equal bullshit. Taking that stance is very hypocritical with your opinions of how religious people feel about you.
No, it doesn't have to negate all logic and rationality, but it does a certain amount.

I'm not sure if I understand what your second statement is saying.

Taking my stance of "religions are not true, not fact, not provable" (aka bullshit) is hypocritical with my opinions on how religious people feel about me? I don't have a specific opinion on how all religious people feel about me. That's generalizing and I try not to do it. My wife is religious and she loves me (so she says), aber is religious and I'm sure he's not a fan of me. I'm not seeing the hypocrisy in my statements. Perhaps you can explain it in different terms. Scooter I respect you deeply and I am positively not trying to get in a pissing match.

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Scooter I respect you deeply and I am positively not trying to get in a pissing match.
Riiiight.
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Riiiight.
Drew, it's just way too fun to get into a pissing match with you, especially on facebook.
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No, it doesn't have to negate all logic and rationality, but it does a certain amount.

I'm not sure if I understand what your second statement is saying.

Taking my stance of "religions are not true, not fact, not provable" (aka bullshit) is hypocritical with my opinions on how religious people feel about me? I don't have a specific opinion on how all religious people feel about me. That's generalizing and I try not to do it. My wife is religious and she loves me (so she says), aber is religious and I'm sure he's not a fan of me. I'm not seeing the hypocrisy in my statements. Perhaps you can explain it in different terms. Scooter I respect you deeply and I am positively not trying to get in a pissing match.
Mike, I think you're alright and probably a decent guy. Who knows maybe even good to go on a mountain bike ride or a beer. You have your opinion and I'm ok with that too.
As far as the type of church that is going on, it may be very genaric and maybe the word of God is good for new Christians, but as Christians we tend to grow up and need more substance, like meat and potatoes as compared to milk.
I do not think of myself as religious but I have a relationship with Jesus Christ. It's about relationship nor religion.
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No, it doesn't have to negate all logic and rationality, but it does a certain amount.

I'm not sure if I understand what your second statement is saying.

Taking my stance of "religions are not true, not fact, not provable" (aka bullshit) is hypocritical with my opinions on how religious people feel about me? I don't have a specific opinion on how all religious people feel about me. That's generalizing and I try not to do it. My wife is religious and she loves me (so she says), aber is religious and I'm sure he's not a fan of me. I'm not seeing the hypocrisy in my statements. Perhaps you can explain it in different terms. Scooter I respect you deeply and I am positively not trying to get in a pissing match.
I've seen you get upset at how religious people have "written you off" as an atheist. Not putting much more into it than that. You and I feel there is certain proof missing to accept the concept of what religions state as fact - however, through learning, life's experiences, etc, people have found religion and their faith.

Just because I don't believe in what others do - it makes it no less real for them - and no matter what they may strongly believe in - it makes it no more real for me.

I'm having a hard time trying to explain how I feel; but I wouldn't write something off as bullshit just because my understanding of it doesn't comprehend its entirety.
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My church is actually like that. But John (the pastor) hits home the message and tells people like Mike that without recieving Jesus as his savor he's going straight to hell . . which I'm cool with.

This isn't every Sunday but it is enough to know that the message is being delivered and I'm cool with that. . . #1 goal is to keep the likes of Mike (and those like Mike that happen to go to my church) out of hell.
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and nowhere in that saying does it require one of the two has to be a preacher, minister, priest, rabbi, eman, monk, shaman, etc.
Yes, but it does say in the bible that the Early church met in groups of Believers. It also talked about elders and leaders with in those churches. I don't disagree with you at all. My Beef is that alot of those churches don't foster a Relationship with God. They Encourage (in a Round about way) a more shallow faith.

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I actually agree with LC4X, for completely different reasons. Having stale boring churches like the ones he likes will turn away more people who could then realize religion is bullshit and grasp logic and rationality.

I Do not like Stale old Churches. I do not like Shallow coffee shop churches either. I like a church that goes deep with the teachings and the people are real and not "at church". If that make sense.

I grew up in an environment that was trying to "wake up" those churches. That's what my dad does, tries to bring those churches into this century. The White hair crowd makes this extremely difficult in most situations. Unfortunately, alot of the Coffee shop churches take the younger generation because it's more appealing but they lack a Spiritual Depth that our generation needs.
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Unfortunately, alot of the Coffee shop churches take the younger generation because it's more appealing but they lack a Spiritual Depth that our generation needs.
Our generation lacks commitment/depth for anything . . spiritual needs its only the tip of the iceburg.
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Our generation lacks commitment/depth for anything . . spiritual needs its only the tip of the iceburg.
I agree! Grammar and spelling are not far behind!

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Who cares about "feel good" churches. They worship the way they want to and everybody else can worship however they want. What I detect here is a hint of self rightiousness in regards to the "happy" church.

Note to Aber21: Don't be quoteing a bunch of stuff that says you are right and the happy church is wrong. They have just interpreted from the Bible what suits their needs; just as you have done with your church.
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Who cares about "feel good" churches. They worship the way they want to and everybody else can worship however they want. What I detect here is a hint of self rightiousness in regards to the "happy" church.

Note to Aber21: Don't be quoteing a bunch of stuff that says you are right and the happy church is wrong. They have just interpreted from the Bible what suits their needs; just as you have done with your church.
Feel good churches are ok. I believe that they do serve a purpose. If it is a way to get the younger generation in the door and get a taste of what Christianity is about and somewhat different then what the stereo type that most think of us. At some point you need to move on and get deeper into it. Some people may just think going to church one day a week is good enough, but actually it is a way of life. Serving God and doing His work on a daily basis, Its tough to do with all the things that keep us busy but we need to pick up His cross daily and walk with Him.
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