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Old May 7th, 2010, 07:03 AM   #1
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As several states with active "tea party" groups prepare to hold important primary elections this month, the movement is struggling to overcome accusations of racism that are tinting perceptions of this loose network of conservatives.

In a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, most Americans see the movement as motivated by distrust of government, opposition to the policies of Obama and the Democratic Party, and broad concern about the economy. But nearly three in 10 see racial prejudice as underlying the tea party.

Judson Phillips, founder of Tea Party Nation, was online Wednesday, May 5, at 1 p.m. ET to address questions about the movement's platform, accusations of racism and the upcoming elections.

To see the q+a go here:

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I wonder if 3 in 10 people are lazy self entitled ninjas that like the current system of free handouts?
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Some of my favorite excerpts:

Santa Barbara, Calif.: What do you make of the fact that the vast majority of the Tea Party activists seem to be older (over 50) white people? The whole "my country that I grew up in is disappearing" nostalgia hearkens back to the times when it was great to be middle-class or higher white American, but it was pretty lousy time for everyone else.

Judson Phillips: I make of that that I don't think you have been to a Tea Party event.

Washington, D.C.: Judson -- Are you willing to admit that taxes have actually gone down for the vast majority of Americans under President Obama?

Judson Phillips: No

Nashville, Tenn.: "Judson -- Are you willing to admit that taxes have actually gone down for the vast majority of Americans under President Obama?

Judson Phillips: No"

Okay - can you provide actual evidence that taxes have increased or stayed the same under President Obama?

Judson Phillips: Let's start with him allowing the bush tax cuts to expire.

Sidney, N.Y.: Many Tea Party supporters I know in Upstate New York receive federal single payer health benefits from VA, Medicare and Medicaid, which they profess to support while vehemently arguing against the still most private market health-care insurance reform. Please help me make sense of this.

Judson Phillips: And I know liberals who believe in the tooth fairy.

Alexandria, Va.: Are you willing to admit that marginal tax rates went up for the majority of Americans during the Reagan administration? Do you know the difference between average and marginal tax rates? Could you answer a simple econ 101 questions regarding the impact of progressive taxation on the labor-leisure choice?

Judson Phillips: No.

Kansas City: I keep hearing the "I want my country back" Frankly I don't understand what that means. If anything OUR country was taken from US in December 2000 when the Supreme Court got involved in state issues and didn't let counting go one, permitting the second place guy to end up in the White House.

Also, you do understand that the Bush tax cuts expire AFTER 2010 if not reapproved? I believe the previous question was about have taxes gone down now, not guessing about the future.

Judson Phillips: And as soon as we vote out the Obama/Pelosi/Reid axis of fiscal evil, we will get out country back.

Boston, Mass.: You made the following comment in regards to cutting spending: Let's start with entitlement programs.

I keep hearing folks at rallies saying that we need to cut spending but don't touch Medicare or Social Security. Guess what those are the two largest entitlement programs. Also I have been to a few rallies so as not to judge and to see what the movement is really about. I was at the Boston rally and yes there were a few people under the age of 40 but most were white and over the age of 50.

Judson Phillips: I was not at the Boston rally, so I cannot comment on the make up of the group. Rallies I have been to have been fairly diverse, but for the sake of argument let's say there is a massive tea party rally where there is no one under 50 and they are all white. Do these people not have the right to express their opinions and assemble to demand the government listen to their grievances?

Chantillly, Va.: How do you plan to attract moderates to your movement? Please be specific.

So far there is no evidence that moderates in any meaningful number have been swayed.

Judson Phillips: I'm not trying attract moderates. Moderates are just those who have no core beliefs. I have a lot more respect for liberals than I do moderates. I'll disagree with liberals but they have core beliefs.


Is it just me or is he really bad at ducking questions he doesn't want to answer?

Also here's a few debunks from the far left communist pinko media matters: http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005050039 (I said it for you so you didn't need to remind me)

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This is an attempt from the left to discredit what the tea party movement is doing. The left is grasping at anything it can to slow the movement down, The tea party movement is gaining steam and growing. We will see what happens in the fall elections.
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This is an attempt from the left to discredit what the tea party movement is doing. The left is grasping at anything it can to slow the movement down, The tea party movement is gaining steam and growing. We will see what happens in the fall elections.
I don't understand? Did the Washington Post have someone else pose as Judson Philips and give retarded answers? Or do you mean, when Tea party members choose to voice their opinions and the liberal media covers it, that helps discredit the Tea party?

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The media and the left in this country will and can say anything to raise the concerns of people to question the credibility of the teaparty movement. Just as they have been doing. Maybe Philips was not qualified or capable of answering those questions. But when you have people like Pelosi and others calling teapartiers nazi's, insurgents and domestic terrorists the left and others tend to think well maybe they know something we don't as to throw doubt into the minds of people. Speading lies, if it is said enough times people tend to believe them.
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The media and the left in this country will and can say anything to raise the concerns of people to question the credibility of the teaparty movement. Just as they have been doing. Maybe Philips was not qualified or capable of answering those questions. But when you have people like Pelosi and others calling teapartiers nazi's, insurgents and domestic terrorists the left and others tend to think well maybe they know something we don't as to throw doubt into the minds of people. Speading lies, if it is said enough times people tend to believe them.
So the founder of the TEA party isn't qualified to answer questions about their stances. Ok, I can agree with that.

Nancy Pelosi called tea party Nazi's? No : http://foxnewsboycott.com/fox-news/f...testers-nazis/
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She called them astroturf and saying that they (teapartiers) hold nazi signs during rallies which is untrue. That is not the agenda of the right to be like the left with the demonstrations that they do when they rally. And you can see that in any demo they did against Bush.
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She called them astroturf and saying that they (teapartiers) hold nazi signs during rallies which is untrue. That is not the agenda of the right to be like the left with the demonstrations that they do when they rally. And you can see that in any demo they did against Bush.
You're so full of it. You claim that she called tea party people nazis, all it took was 10 seconds on google to prove you wrong, now you back down and say that it isn't true that tea partiers haven't had any signs with nazi logos... How on earth could you verify this? Have you been to every tea party protest and seen every sign?





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The second picture depicts a fact. It does happen to have a Swastika on it.

"The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.

Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.

Even in the early twentieth century, the swastika was still a symbol with positive connotations"
Maybe that person is trying to bring back the positive connotation.


Edit: crap, didn't see the first picture, I meant the 3rd picture about the lies
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You're so full of it. You claim that she called tea party people nazis, all it took was 10 seconds on google to prove you wrong, now you back down and say that it isn't true that tea partiers haven't had any signs with nazi logos... How on earth could you verify this? Have you been to every tea party protest and seen every sign?





Left wing implants.
For the most part you may find a few expressions of hatred toward obama, but look at how much more hatred was directed at bush during his 8 years in the hot seat. You cannot tell me that there was less than what we see now at obama.
The left in this country is afraid of what the tea party movement is doing and are very afraid of what is going to happen to there seats this fall.
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I will have to agree with Aber on far more hate and protests being levied against Bush with no public outcry save Fox news and the EIB network.

It is incredible that the media seemingly reporting every single protest against the current administration is putting the focus on negativity and feeding off of the turmoil created. It is very interesting how it is almost like Obama's administration has control of the media - any time it seems the heat is about to come to bear on our President, diversions and dr@m@ erupt in the new headlines.

Funny how alleged "diversionary tactics" of the previous administration drew so much attention with so many conspiracy theories attached to them. The current administration is pulling some seriously shady shit, and when people get together to protest about it, they are turned into (by means of the associated press) an angry, racist, hateful mass of rich whites over 50.

Give me a fucking break.
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But nearly three in 10 see racial prejudice as underlying the tea party.
is 3 in 10 a large statistical result, or more than likely the same ratio that feel racial prejudice is the underlying theme of basically any organization?

I'm willing to bet that more than 3 in 10 see "the man" holding a brotha back at virtually every opportunity

I'll see your slanted opinion with meaningless statistics and raise you successful black people IN THE TEA PARTY.

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what do you care about a the tea party?? you think the tea party people are old rich white folks.

your just mad cause your about to get your ass handed to ya in the next couple elections.
good luck in november!

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I take exception to this:

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Chantillly, Va.: How do you plan to attract moderates to your movement? Please be specific.

So far there is no evidence that moderates in any meaningful number have been swayed.

Judson Phillips: I'm not trying attract moderates. Moderates are just those who have no core beliefs. I have a lot more respect for liberals than I do moderates. I'll disagree with liberals but they have core beliefs.
Why is it so hard for some people to understand that just because someone doesn't have extremist beliefs that they think they need to impose on everyone else that they don't have "core beliefs"? I believe very strongly that I don't know enough about everything to make decisions for other people. I believe very strongly that the best answer to many issues is found somewhere in the middle. I believe very strongly in "live, and let live". This is why I like to refer to myself as an "extreme moderate" I believe very strongly about the middle.

I tend to see many conservatives and liberals as people who can't think for themselves and so have taken the party position hook, line, and sinker, and I see many moderates as people who can think for themselves and understand that what is right for them might not be right for everyone.
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Left wing implants.
Jesus Christ, are you serious? I don't think that a majority of the tea party movement are nazis. I don't even think that the people with the swastika's on their signs are nazis, I think they are trying to compare Obama to Hitler (just like a couple threads on this website). Do you think CC's post comparing Obama to Hitler is a a left wing plant? SERIOUSLY?? Just take a second and think about it. Look at the facts. You claimed Nancy Pelosi called tea partiers, nazis. I proved you wrong and found that the quote was that she said that people were carrying nazi signs. You said that was untrue. I found some tea partiers with signs w/ hitler and the swastika on them, you then say they are "left wing implants". You don't think there are a few people in the tea party movement who would make a protest sign that compares Obama to Hitler...just man up and admit that you could be wrong, Christ.
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is 3 in 10 a large statistical result, or more than likely the same ratio that feel racial prejudice is the underlying theme of basically any organization?

I'm willing to bet that more than 3 in 10 see "the man" holding a brotha back at virtually every opportunity

I'll see your slanted opinion with meaningless statistics and raise you successful black people IN THE TEA PARTY.

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I just posted the first part of the article, I'm not sure where the numbers came from, but you're probably right about it being a similar ration for many groups. Although, I do think that a great many people view the tea parties as being racist, (whether they are or aren't) I don't think that actually matters. The substantive point of my posting this article was the q+a portion with Philips.
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what do you care about a the tea party?? you think the tea party people are old rich white folks.

your just mad cause your about to get your ass handed to ya in the next couple elections.
good luck in november!

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I don't care that much about the tea party... I just came across the Q+A with the founder of the tea party and thought he came off sounding pretty uneducated on most of the things he's rallying for/against, which is pretty funny.
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Why is it so hard for some people to understand that just because someone doesn't have extremist beliefs that they think they need to impose on everyone else that they don't have "core beliefs"? I believe very strongly that I don't know enough about everything to make decisions for other people. I believe very strongly that the best answer to many issues is found somewhere in the middle. I believe very strongly in "live, and let live". This is why I like to refer to myself as an "extreme moderate" I believe very strongly about the middle.

I tend to see many conservatives and liberals as people who can't think for themselves and so have taken the party position hook, line, and sinker, and I see many moderates as people who can think for themselves and understand that what is right for them might not be right for everyone.
I agree, and I was thinking of you when I read that answer. He's an idiot.
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