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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:12 PM   #21
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the sun?

anyway i think it is pretty much impossible to get all those animals/insects/all living things in pairs on a boat, make sure they dont eat each etc. Oh wait I should have guessed that God would have cast a magic spell to make them get on and behaive themselves. I mean shit a lion wants to eat a gazell right? Did god say oh well the lion can just eat rainbows untill the flood was over?
Yeah, that's where faith comes into it. Could he have brought them all to the ark? Yes. Can we prove that?....Probably not.

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If they really found the ark it would be on every news channel .
They won't. My Theory - If you just survived a earth wide flood wouldn't you want to make houses out of the dry wood around? Even Sentimentally. " Yeah, Built that house out of that ark Just to remind me that God is Good".

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Some people think the book of Ezekiel describes space aliens coming to earth.

Also, The Sun isn't exactly a credible news source.
Into Ezekiel much lately? It's a Good read.


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I don't know that many educated people refute what the bible says from a historical perspective, at least not all of it. What is disputed is that it is "inspired" writing, inspired by God and therefore entirely accurate. That has been proven incorrect time after time yet people still believe in it. What I think most readers need to keep in mind is that there is a generation (at least) between what was written and the events depicted. Furthermore, the Catholic church decided which of the scrolls were actually included in the bible and VERY few have access to the excluded texts which could directly contradict what was accepted.
It's impossible to prove if something was inspired by God or not. That fact has not been proven time and time agian.

The Events were written down after a generation or two, that is true, However you also have to realize that thier culture was more verbal so they remembered things better. A Game of Telephone would not go the same way as it does now.

It was, technically, the Catholic church that decided which books get in. However, there were no other kind of churches then. Nor were they the Entity they are now. It wasn't just "How bout this one George?", They had strict guidelines as to what made it to make sure the message of Christ was Efficiently told.

The other texts are very accessible now a days.

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My problem with the Bible is that we change it every decade or more so that it reflects our society's beliefs. Slavery was a common topic of early American bibles. All of the major characters had them in the old testament. Today's bibles talk about "servants" and "hands". By 2020 gays will no longer be excluded from the ranks of Christians.
The bible is not changed contextually. It's translated differently but the same message is there. Most Translations that have been done in the recent years have been direct from close to the Original Text, Just made to be understood in english.

Homosexuals will never be accepted because it's an Expressed sin in multiple places. The Slave analogy is because back then, They used the word slave in a different way. It doesn't mean a Man or woman of African Decent. It also doesn't imply the way Americans treated slaves.

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i guess that dinosaurs bones are just strange earth formations and all palaeontologists are idiots
Dinosaurs are referenced in the bible many times.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:29 PM   #22
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So, the dating process used to date this at 4800 years is correct. But anything dated at 6001 years and older, its wrong?

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Science only has value if it lines up perfectly with the bible.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 10:36 PM   #23
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Finding Noah's ark has been popular for some time.

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2454
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Scientists have just verified that this is truly the ark mentioned in the Bible. A leading team of Theoligical Archaeologists have reported finding graffiti that says "Noah wuz here" on the wall of one of the ark's 27 restrooms.
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Old April 28th, 2010, 06:09 AM   #25
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Yeah, that's where faith comes into it. Could he have brought them all to the ark? Yes. Can we prove that?....Probably not.
Are you able to admit, like some theologians, that these stories from the old testament probably didn't happen and are just stories that were passed down in order to teach lessons? Or do you have to believe everything in the bible no matter how unlikely?
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Old April 28th, 2010, 07:39 AM   #26
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what do you do? You make the title of your thread deal with the subject manner.
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Old April 28th, 2010, 12:45 PM   #27
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If they really found the ark it would be on every news channel .






















































Not just in the sun.
Its picking up steam, more news channels are looking into this and asking is it real? We need more proof, not just what these guys found and are saying. I'd say crack it open and examine what they found.
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Old April 28th, 2010, 04:24 PM   #28
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Are you able to admit, like some theologians, that these stories from the old testament probably didn't happen and are just stories that were passed down in order to teach lessons? Or do you have to believe everything in the bible no matter how unlikely?
I'm not quite decided on that. I mean, I'm only 25. Can't have my whole Theological Beliefs set up yet.
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what do you do? You make the title of your thread deal with the subject manner.
Piss off and go do some wiring....LOL
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Old April 28th, 2010, 08:15 PM   #30
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I'm not quite decided on that. I mean, I'm only 25. Can't have my whole Theological Beliefs set up yet.
Good to hear.
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Why would anyone have reason to beleive everything that is written in the Bible? It is written by man, and the stories change with time. Since the old testament, many of the wordings have changed. History cannot change. The stories of the Bible and any other religious scriptures are myth: Stories that have meaning to a particular culture that are passed down, but in no way can be proven. As with the story of Prometheus in Greek mythology; Hesiod's version portrays Prometheus as responsible for all of the bad that mankind has, whereas Aeschylus's version of the same story portrays Prometheus as the benefactor of all humankind. Being told over time religious stories change and in no way are meant to be taken as the truth.
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It was, technically, the Catholic church that decided which books get in. However, there were no other kind of churches then. Nor were they the Entity they are now. It wasn't just "How bout this one George?", They had strict guidelines as to what made it to make sure the message of Christ was Efficiently told.
What concerns me about that is did they, as I would have hoped, choose the books that were most likely to be historically accurate and written by people closest to the actually events written about and who intended to tell the true story, and they use those books to determine just what the message of Christ actually was. Or did they, as I fear, already have a preconceived notion of what the message of Christ was, and chose books that backed it up?
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What concerns me about that is did they, as I would have hoped, choose the books that were most likely to be historically accurate and written by people closest to the actually events written about and who intended to tell the true story, and they use those books to determine just what the message of Christ actually was. Or did they, as I fear, already have a preconceived notion of what the message of Christ was, and chose books that backed it up?
People with an agenda tend to do things like this, serving their best interests.
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People with an agenda tend to do things like this, serving their best interests.
Yep, and there are people like that on all sides of every argument.
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As to the original question, it is for this reason that I like to keep an open mind. Contrary to popular opinion, I don't think I know everything. Within those things i don't know could be evidence that things that don't seem possible to me actually are possible, or even likely. When new information is reveled to me I reevaluate my position based on all available data.
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What concerns me about that is did they, as I would have hoped, choose the books that were most likely to be historically accurate and written by people closest to the actually events written about and who intended to tell the true story, and they use those books to determine just what the message of Christ actually was. Or did they, as I fear, already have a preconceived notion of what the message of Christ was, and chose books that backed it up?
I agree, and that's where I have to have faith that they made the right choice.

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From the Writings in the bible I can gather that the Apostles were honest, good, and Godly men. They were inspired by Christ, Deity or not, and used that inspiration to share the love he preached to the world. While the Text may not be provable, the fact that the church still exists today proves that they had something significant to offer people and did so with Great passion. Christ's message was something huge. So huge and Revolutionary that the people of his time were scared it could change things for ever. And they killed him for it.

I can hope that the people that chose the books were the same. They were well intentioned in trying to make the Gospel of Christ more Clear. You also have to take into consideration that the "Catholic Church" then is not the church now. Personally, I think that the Catholic Church now is Corrupt and alot of people imagine it that way back then.
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I agree, and that's where I have to have faith that they made the right choice.



From the Writings in the bible I can gather that the Apostles were honest, good, and Godly men. They were inspired by Christ, Deity or not, and used that inspiration to share the love he preached to the world. While the Text may not be provable, the fact that the church still exists today proves that they had something significant to offer people and did so with Great passion. Christ's message was something huge. So huge and Revolutionary that the people of his time were scared it could change things for ever. And they killed him for it.

I can hope that the people that chose the books were the same. They were well intentioned in trying to make the Gospel of Christ more Clear. You also have to take into consideration that the "Catholic Church" then is not the church now. Personally, I think that the Catholic Church now is Corrupt and alot of people imagine it that way back then.
So essentially, you have faith in the men (easily corruptible, worthless people, as your religion tells you) who chose the books?
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As to the original question, it is for this reason that I like to keep an open mind. Contrary to popular opinion, I don't know everything, pretty close but not everything. Within those things i don't know could be evidence that things that don't seem possible to me actually are possible, or even likely. When new information is reveled to me I reevaluate my position based on all available data.


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So essentially, you have faith in the men (easily corruptible, worthless people, as your religion tells you) who chose the books?
Yeah and, some day, I would like to read the other gospels and see what they have to say about it.

You also have to question why they would care about greed or money when they put together a set of books that preaches kindness and love to people. If you can find, in the other non included books, a reference that changes the gospel message I'll be glad to look into it. I don't think you'll find one though....er...maybe I should say one of your internet sources won't have one.
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Yeah and, some day, I would like to read the other gospels and see what they have to say about it.

You also have to question why they would care about greed or money when they put together a set of books that preaches kindness and love to people. If you can find, in the other non included books, a reference that changes the gospel message I'll be glad to look into it. I don't think you'll find one though....er...maybe I should say one of your internet sources won't have one.
One of the reasons that I heard as to why not all the books were used is because they were written to many generations past the time of actual witnesses of the accounts of what actually happened. The gosples that were not used were not credibly according to the people choosing which books to use.
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