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View Poll Results: What driveline do you think I should run?
Original 225 v6 16 19.51%
vortec 4.3 v6, 700r4,208 6 7.32%
383 stroker,700r4,D300 26 31.71%
4.7 Stroker, to keep her all Jeep 11 13.41%
All hail the 440, who doesn't love a Big Block Mopar! 23 28.05%
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Old April 20th, 2010, 01:03 PM   #21
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It looks like a unmolested original, which there's not many of anymore.

Most have long since had the original driveline pulled and have a sbc/slushbox combo just like 9 out of 10 Chevrolets I see at cruise night (and of those 10, 7 are red, 1 is silver, 1 is black, and 1 is white. lol)

I think swapping a straight six would be a headache, so installing lockers (richmond makes nice road friendly lockers), some frame reinforcements (are you good at welding? if not, find someone who is. I've seen some scary welds on stuff....) and maybe a few mild parts for the 225, and you'd be golden by the looks of it.

My favorite thing is "day two" musclecars (restored... kind of...) where they're restored and any modifications are done with period correct parts. This easily translates to jeeps and anything. Your Jeep looks pretty good, so maybe it'd be a "survivor day two" Jeep. Plus it'd save you cost of a paintjob.

As for the carbs vs FI, so long as you don't run too crazy of an angle you'll be fine. They're not that hard to tune, it's kind of a lost art sadly enough. At least you can fix it on the side of the road unlike a modern FI engine, where a sensor goes bad and you're SOL or the electronic throttle pedal sensor goes AWOL and you have 'toyota crash syndrome'.
I agree with they day two cars, they are a lot more interesting. My friends don't seem to understand why I will walk past all the shiny newly done cars and then spend an hr picking over some old thing that doesn't make the same power. CHARACTER but anyway haha with all the feedback about the 225 I was thinking about leaving it and was tossing the idea of retro-Jeep around, use all the old school racing secrets and as much of my dads old obstacle course racing gear as I can. It'd be fun to do and def interesting once its done. Not the loudest or fastest but definatly original.

I agree with the carb thing as well. I was raised on em so I know them and can normally trouble shoot whats goin on and 9 time outta 10 I can get back rolling. I'm not so good with the whole computer thing. What I need to figure out is just how "hardcore" I want to go with this since like u said carbs and angles don't go to well together.

All that being said while it would be a cool retro racer but I want to be able to tackle some serious trail and not worry about rock rash (character lines ) also freeway speed would be nice so I dont have to trailer her everywhere though w/ the gladiator highway speed consists of 65 so I'm not lookin for 80

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I say you yank the drive train out of the green panel wagon.
haha how do you know I have that? Though its not a panel sadly

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Old April 20th, 2010, 02:11 PM   #22
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http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techart...iew/index.html

The pics (crazy rock crawling) is what I mean by "extreme angles". The stock carb should be ok for anything here in MI. I thought in the back of JP magazine or something in the ads they had a weber conversion or a 'carb shim' that angled the carb forward so the floats won't get hung up when going up steep hills.
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I have a 68 jeepster that is next to the garage waiting to come in. Interested to see what ya do. I might just keep the dauntless after the above comments.
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 07:07 PM   #24
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Another option is the 350 Buick,I understand it's a near bolt-in,and you would also be keeping it all Kaiser-Jeep!
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 11:00 PM   #25
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go with your 350/700r4. theres nothing like a the sound of a nice v8.
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Old April 23rd, 2010, 07:39 AM   #26
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go with your 350/700r4. theres nothing like a the sound of a nice v8.
If you want to go this route, I will pay you more than what you have into it so far...
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Old April 23rd, 2010, 12:11 PM   #27
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i still say go with what you want!

life is short and its your ride........screw valve and brand loyalty



i love when people find out what im doing to my Sonoma ZR2 and tell me im nuts because its rare and i should cut up a rare s10
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Old April 24th, 2010, 08:32 PM   #28
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i still say go with what you want!

life is short and its your ride........screw valve and brand loyalty



i love when people find out what im doing to my Sonoma ZR2 and tell me im nuts because its rare and i should cut up a rare s10

Here's to that I agree life's short and its fun to have something unique that does what you want it to. At this point I know I want v8 power and I can't afford a 440 build so it'll be the 383tbi or a 5.9 prob. the 383 stroker is prob the logical way to go since I have the rest of the driveline with it, overdrive, ease and price of parts, only problem is everyone has a 350 in their jeep so it wouldn't be as unique. who knows anyway long story short I agree
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Another option is the 350 Buick,I understand it's a near bolt-in,and you would also be keeping it all Kaiser-Jeep!
That could be pretty cool, and I could keep it a stick which would be nice
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What ever you do I suggest ditching the ross steering box.

Nothing wrong with the 225 imo.
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What ever you do I suggest ditching the ross steering box.

Nothing wrong with the 225 imo.
haha yeah I was looking at the box and wonder who the heck designed that, true it works but its not gonna hold up to what I have planned for her so thats going to be addressed as soon as I tear into her
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You could go with a Hybrid I6 Stroked. Using parts from a EFI I6 4.0, Make a 4.2 I6 stroked. You could even swap the Trans, Case, Computer, and have EFI.

Thats unique!
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OK enough engine talk. Lets get crackin on this thing. I've always wanted one to build, so I'm just gonna live vicariously through you.
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If you go with a Saginaw, be sure to get it braced. They sway in the wind, with larger tires.

Someone had swapped a 304 in place on the Buick motor in my wife 71 jeepster. I was not keen on it. There is no room in there for a fan.

Are you going to swap out the D27 in the front ?


I ain't really a fan of CJ fronts on C101's but hey its yours. Do what you want with it.

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Old October 4th, 2010, 09:10 PM   #36
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Hey so I've been away from the site for wayyyy to long. Anyway updates. I brought her home from her hiding place in Big Rapids and got her home. My mother loves her new lawn ornament as she calls it. I have pulled a new front clip together for it and it is staying C101. I love the look of the 101's. Got the 225 running idles and runs like a champ just needed a lil tuning and some good gas. Drive it around the yard no problem. Most of my free time has been spent helping my old man put his CJ6 back together so she has been sitting waiting her turn while I collect parts. I have a D60 and a 9in rear for it, just need to choose which I will use. A set of 36" cepek mud country's, saginaw box, and a bunch of little stuff. I'm gonna build the 383 stroker,700r4, and D300 combo. My buddy was trying to talk me into turbo-ing it and leavin it a 350 which would be cool but for the lower RPMs I'm seeing the brute 383 will fit the bill better. I need to find a front axle possibly a D44 w/ a limited slip but if I lock the front I'll prob opt for a 60.
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anyway the plans are the CJ is pretty well finished its just tying up a few loose ends so once she is done my girl gets to go in. I will knock the body off it and set it up on one side of the garage to do some body work and work on the rolling chassis on the other side. That will be this winters project so there will be many a work night so if anyone wants to come have some barley pops and wrench I'll post up some times questions comments and the like fire away

Side note: Grumpy1 that is a beautiful Jeepster!
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So whats happening on this? Keeping the original front end? Good!

I have two '71s in nice shape, one from Colorado and another from Kansas. I'm in the process of redoing one to drive, and then the other will be built for the trails.


Personally, you cant beat the 225 for its Power to wieght ratio, and NOTHING sounds like a Buick Oddfire engine
You need to look at the rear axle, its a D44, but it may have two piece shafts like the later AMC 20 did. You can buy one piece shafts to replace the two piece.

Look for a early D30 ('72 ot '76) two swap out the D27 axle when you do your Saginaw steering swap, you cna keep the D27 axle, but you will need the passenger outer knuckle to mate the saginaw steering to it. (I have the parts if your interested in keeping it 'stock') as mentioned, a steering box brace is a good idea.
You will also need to change the exhaust manifold on the drivers side if you go to a Saginaw steering box. the front dump manifold gets in the way.
The driver engine mounting bracket also needs to be modified/replaced with a lower bracket to clear the steering shaft.

As grumpy said, the other engines really dont swap in well.
The front cross member needs to be modified, you loose the radiator support and cowling, and there is no room for a engine mount fan. and the bigest thing is yo loose the hood latch and need to rely on the spring loaded outer pull downs. I can say this, on the highway the hood wants to lift with just the pull downs being used

I have ALOT of spare parts if you need something, so far I have dismantled 4 of these.
Let me know if I can help.

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Old February 21st, 2011, 04:35 PM   #40
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So I just remembered that I havn't updated this thread in a while so figured I'd let you guys know whats going on. I have yet to do much wrenching on her at all sadly, since I am up at school the most I have been able to do is collect parts so thats what I have been doing. I have picked up a 5.2 Magnum, 44re trans, Dana 300 t-case, waggy Dana44 front, ford 9in rear so I have my driveline almost figured out. I need to narrow the 9in so it will match the 44 front and I will be rebuilding the 5.2 unless I stumble across a 5.9 instead. I have looked at craigslist and you can get 5.9's all day long for cheap so I may go that route but until money magically appears the 5.2 will work fine. As for the 9in rear, it is out of a 78 F150 My buddy has been running it in his ranger and is parting out that project so I got it. Anybody know if they are offset or are they centered? It's been a while since I've seen it and I'm trying to figure out how I am going to narrow it. If it is offset I am going to do this http://forum.newjo.org/index.php?showtopic=9143 . I am thinking I am going to lock the rear and put a limited slip up front.

Other than that I have picked up a bunch of the other stuff, tires, winch, CB, etc. so now all I need is time to do it.

If anybody has a set of front seats they want to get rid of let me know. I was hoping to get a decent set of seats kinda like mastercraft or corbeau. If anybody has a used set or knows of cheaper decent suspension seats let me know

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