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Old April 16th, 2010, 08:14 AM   #1
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If you take the Bible literally, you have to be insane.

Biblical literalism
(also called Biblicism or Biblical fundamentalism) is the interpretation or translation of the explicit and primary sense of words in the Bible.[1][2] A literal, Biblical interpretation is associated with the fundamentalist and evangelical hermeneutical approach to Scripture, and is used by most conservative Christians today.[3]

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I just want to make it vividly clear that in the exact paragraph you quoted there was also this

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It does not, however, mean a complete denial of literary aspects, genre, or figures of speech within the text (e.g., parable, allegory, simile, or metaphor).[5] Also literalism does not necessarily lead to total and complete agreement upon one single interpretation for any given passage. .
And Later on in the Introduction it explains What I believe is the proper way to view Scriptures.

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The historical grammatical method is a hermeneutic technique that strives to uncover the meaning of the text by taking into account not just the grammatical words, but also the syntactical aspects, the cultural and historical background, and the literary genre.
To Take the words in the bible completely literally with out any thought to culture or background can be very bad. People can misunderstand what it means and then build a whole dogma off of it. I would say that people that do this, can be what most would call 'extremists'.

Also, Part of reading the bible is knowing, or figuring out, the whole story. It's not individual books with unconnected stories, it's a Long, Connected narrative about God Trying to get his children back to him.
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I just want to make it vividly clear that in the exact paragraph you quoted there was also this



And Later on in the Introduction it explains What I believe is the proper way to view Scriptures.



To Take the words in the bible completely literally with out any thought to culture or background can be very bad. People can misunderstand what it means and then build a whole dogma off of it. I would say that people that do this, can be what most would call 'extremists'.

Also, Part of reading the bible is knowing, or figuring out, the whole story. It's not individual books with unconnected stories, it's a Long, Connected narrative about God Trying to get his children back to him.
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I view the Bible as a series of alegories. Since the Bible was not originally written in English and very few copies existed until the invention of the printing press, I would have to assume that there have been huge distortions of what was originally written.
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I just want to make it vividly clear that in the exact paragraph you quoted there was also this



And Later on in the Introduction it explains What I believe is the proper way to view Scriptures.



To Take the words in the bible completely literally with out any thought to culture or background can be very bad. People can misunderstand what it means and then build a whole dogma off of it. I would say that people that do this, can be what most would call 'extremists'.

Also, Part of reading the bible is knowing, or figuring out, the whole story. It's not individual books with unconnected stories, it's a Long, Connected narrative about God Trying to get his children back to him.
I linked to the page. Although, I think it's odd that to get the TRUE meaning to a book written by God for all the people of Earth to live by requires so much context and is so spotty on what should be taken literally and what shouldn't (which obviously varies from person to person). Basically, you can use the bible to justify almost anything depending on how you spin it.
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Basically, you can use the bible to justify almost anything depending on how you spin it.
can you point to an ism, or belief that does not do this?
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can you point to an ism, or belief that does not do this?
So bloody true. With a good bit of selective reading, one can make anything say absolutely anything.
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can you point to an ism, or belief that does not do this?
Probably not, which would mean to me, that all religions are equally unreliable as being "true". :)
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I linked to the page. Although, I think it's odd that to get the TRUE meaning to a book written by God for all the people of Earth to live by requires so much context and is so spotty on what should be taken literally and what shouldn't (which obviously varies from person to person). Basically, you can use the bible to justify almost anything depending on how you spin it.
I know you linked to it. I just didn't want to go the way it could have gone.

If you don't use that method of Getting the context, Yes you can make is say alot of things. I could go kill ALOT of people if I read just the OT Hebrew law and went with it. The amount of Stoning would be Epic.

I could also Assume that men had bigger Penises with emissions like horses.

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There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses

Ezekiel 23:20
Of course, Knowing the rest of the story I know neither of those are true.
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I linked to the page. Although, I think it's odd that to get the TRUE meaning to a book written by God for all the people of Earth to live by requires so much context and is so spotty on what should be taken literally and what shouldn't (which obviously varies from person to person). Basically, you can use the bible to justify almost anything depending on how you spin it.
How much time do you spend with debates like this on internet forums? It appears that you spend a lot of time stirring shit up. If you want a really good answer to this, I would say go seek your local religous authority and ask them.
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I view the Bible as a series of alegories. Since the Bible was not originally written in English and very few copies existed until the invention of the printing press, I would have to assume that there have been huge distortions of what was originally written.
Thats the problem you assume too much on your own part. And when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.
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How much time do you spend with debates like this on internet forums? It appears that you spend a lot of time stirring shit up. If you want a really good answer to this, I would say go seek your local religous authority and ask them.
Yes he does, he trolls looking for ways to make himself look important and intelligent and yet only makes himself look like a fool to the ones he's out trolling for.
Mike could ask the pastor of his church but that would make it look like he has an interest in God when in fact he only goes to church to save his wife from giving more money to ministries that the church helps. Sounds like a very selfish little man that is full of himself.
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Thats the problem you assume too much on your own part. And when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.
How do You know they didn't get something wrong in the translation?


You know till this day they still can't read all of the hebrew language right?
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How do You know they didn't get something wrong in the translation?


You know till this day they still can't read all of the hebrew language right?
That is very true and the English Language lacks the proper describing words to really portray what is written in Hebrew. However, The Main tenets of the Christian Faith (In the NT) are in Aramaic and Greek. Those are languages that are quite well known. The OT is a very important part of Christian Theological History, but most Christians draw thier instruction from the NT. The OT actually has some amazing teachings about being a Wise man, having Sex, and it does point to the fact that no matter how hard humans try we can't get to God. The Part where Christianity really is started is in the NT.
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How do You know they didn't get something wrong in the translation?


You know till this day they still can't read all of the hebrew language right?
Ask a Jew and he would tell you, unless you are jewish and know it all
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How much time do you spend with debates like this on internet forums? It appears that you spend a lot of time stirring shit up. If you want a really good answer to this, I would say go seek your local religous authority and ask them.
You mean that I could go and see a pastor and get his interpretation? That would be SOOO helpful .
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Ask a Jew and he would tell you, unless you are jewish and know it all
I think You need to look it up . They only know three out of every four words or something like that. So I don't think Your suggestion will work.

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That is very true and the English Language lacks the proper describing words to really portray what is written in Hebrew. However, The Main tenets of the Christian Faith (In the NT) are in Aramaic and Greek. Those are languages that are quite well known. The OT is a very important part of Christian Theological History, but most Christians draw thier instruction from the NT. The OT actually has some amazing teachings about being a Wise man, having Sex, and it does point to the fact that no matter how hard humans try we can't get to God. The Part where Christianity really is started is in the NT.
Thats the part I don't get is how You only listen to part of the bible . If it's a book from god and god is perfect snouldn't the bible be right in both parts?
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