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Old March 31st, 2010, 07:04 AM   #1
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Has anybody on this forum had any REAL experience with either of the new Chinese inverter based multifunction/combo tools? (Plasma/TIG/stick) The two brands that seem to have the most info are “Longevity” and “Everlast”. I am looking for real imput from someone who actually took the leap and purchased one of the Chinese welders. Before you tell me to save my money and buy Miller/Lincoln/Hypertherm please save your breath. I have wanted a Hypertherm plasma cutter for ten years and have never been able to afford one. I have wanted a TIG welder since I first used one last year. I WANT Hypertherm powermax45 plasma and a miller diversion 165 TIG welder. By the time you add an argon bottle the 2 of them come to $3,000.00! I do not have $3,000.00, I truly wish I did. Like it or not the quality of “Chinese crap” has been improving exponentially, and for some items they truly represent a great value.
If you don’t own a new inverter based Chinese welder I really don’t want your opinion, I already know what it is
If you want me to buy an American welder give me a job to afford one, or just OBAMA me with a check

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Someone did a group buy on these things a few months back - I cannot remember the thread or the person - but it was posted in the pub.

You could find that thread and pm a couple of the people that bought them - since you're not getting much here.
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A shop I used to work at had a Chinese welder. You could blindfold that guy with dental floss.
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Someone did a group buy on these things a few months back - I cannot remember the thread or the person - but it was posted in the pub.

You could find that thread and pm a couple of the people that bought them - since you're not getting much here.

The thread was informative. A lot of trashing of Chinese welders that will get used twice a month, from people that wear Chinese footwear and clothing every day.
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The thread was informative. A lot of trashing of Chinese welders that will get used twice a month, from people that wear Chinese footwear and clothing every day.
Not much choice in that unfortunately. But, you can choose to buy an American welder.... Just sayin.
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Not much choice in that unfortunately. But, you can choose to buy an American welder.... Just sayin.
You are dead right on clothing, but dead wrong about footwear.
I pay a premium price to wear DANNER boots every day. I now have over a dozen pairs. All 100% American made with lace to toe and stitch down sole construction. I have 2 pairs that have been resoled twice! If you ever get a pair of American Danner’s (their cheaper ones are made in china) you will never buy anything else. Redwing still makes some shoes here as well.

WWW.danner.com

We can’t buy much American made clothing anymore because we ALL have chosen lower prices.

if you choose to spend over $200 on a pair of boots, you too can wear american.
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You are dead right on clothing, but dead wrong about footwear.
I pay a premium price to wear DANNER boots every day. I now have over a dozen pairs. All 100% American made with lace to toe and stitch down sole construction. I have 2 pairs that have been resoled twice! If you ever get a pair of American Danner’s (their cheaper ones are made in china) you will never buy anything else. Redwing still makes some shoes here as well.

WWW.danner.com

We can’t buy much American made clothing anymore because we ALL have chosen lower prices.

if you choose to spend over $200 on a pair of boots, you too can wear american.
Don't get me wrong, my cowboy boots are made in the states and I bought new balance athletic shoes because they are made here (some models) but the majority of foot wear is not.
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The thread was informative. A lot of trashing of Chinese welders that will get used twice a month, from people that wear Chinese footwear and clothing every day.
Just sayin'
You could PM some of the folks that bought them and ask them directly w/o the .
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Actually I have. I bought 2 machines and have had 1 in the past.


I bought a cut 50 a long time ago and it worked great for 7 years, then I sold it when I got hurt.

So I recently purchased a cut 50 and the combo 220 tig, stick, plasma. And they both work great.

Are they super quallity well no their made in china. Do they work each time. yes.

My combo machine will cut more then the std. cut 50.

I sliced through a 1" pinion shaft in no time. I also cut my 1" d ring mounts as well. It is slow, but it works. I can tig no problem as well. I havent tried the stick yet.

my only complaints are that the hoses are a cheap rubber so when it is cold as shit out they are stiff. The unit comes with a regulator but not one for Argon only for tig. not a hard fix but be prepared for it. I just ran the supplied hose to a 1/4 quick disconnect for air line. this way I can run my tig tank, or switch to air for plasma. the LED display well works but would be better with a std guage.

lastly the plastic clamps that hold the lines to the machine are cheap. I cracked mine the first day. so no instead of using only 1 wrench to take off the air line. it takes 2. oh well.

And I am trying to mod a HF foot pedal to control the switch. I am not used to the hand control.

I have used mine alot and had no real problems. Yes buy extra consumables (alot) 50 to be sure. you will go through them, but its a plasma its designed to.



all in all. Good buy. would do it again. just filter the air coming in. and cover the thing when not in use. carbon dust is what kills these things.

as for the the Cut 50 it works as well. no its not a 1500$ lincoln that starts perfect everytime. or has a 20ft lead. but for $250 you cant complain.

Its made its cost back already from scrapping cars.


send me a PM if you would like to know more.

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Has anybody on this forum had any REAL experience with either of the new Chinese inverter based multifunction/combo tools? (Plasma/TIG/stick) The two brands that seem to have the most info are “Longevity” and “Everlast”. I am looking for real imput from someone who actually took the leap and purchased one of the Chinese welders. Before you tell me to save my money and buy Miller/Lincoln/Hypertherm please save your breath. I have wanted a Hypertherm plasma cutter for ten years and have never been able to afford one. I have wanted a TIG welder since I first used one last year. I WANT Hypertherm powermax45 plasma and a miller diversion 165 TIG welder. By the time you add an argon bottle the 2 of them come to $3,000.00! I do not have $3,000.00, I truly wish I did. Like it or not the quality of “Chinese crap” has been improving exponentially, and for some items they truly represent a great value.
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Mine didn't work, still doesn't. Took it to the guy that sells them in the US, he replaced 2 out of 3 boards in it and it worked intermittedly on his bench. I hope to salvage my money(still being repaired 7 weeks later) but wouldn't buy one again. Too much hassle. I think I'm the only one in the group buy that had a DOA machine. That's my luck though, roll with it.
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Mine didn't work, still doesn't. Took it to the guy that sells them in the US, he replaced 2 out of 3 boards in it and it worked intermittedly on his bench. I hope to salvage my money(still being repaired 7 weeks later) but wouldn't buy one again. Too much hassle. I think I'm the only one in the group buy that had a DOA machine. That's my luck though, roll with it.
I have been doing a ton of research on these, and the mosfet machines are far more prone to arive DOA. I don’t know why, that’s just what I am reading. Although you pay more, buying from a retailer here can be advantageous for a DOA problem. Even the some of the new Lincolns are made offshore now and they also have a higher failure rate that the domestically produced ones. Mainly due to shipping damage.
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Much better off to buy something red or blue used for the same money.
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Much better off to buy something red or blue used for the same money.
If that were possible, you would be correct.
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