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View Poll Results: What build would influence your buying decisions more?
TJ sport built up with 44/60, LA, SYE... 65 65.66%
Out of the box wheeling prowless w/ a few bolt-ons... 34 34.34%
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Old March 24th, 2010, 09:19 PM   #1
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Here is the deal! Not only am I an avid offroader (as many of you know), but I also work for one of Michigan's top Jeep dealerships.


Please vote on this-

We are building a trail leader rig...it will be seen at the Blessing this May 1.

Budget being equal, what would mean more to you as an influential rig on your buying decisions (meaning, representing your purchasing desicions)-

OPTION #1- '99 TJ with Rubicon Express Long Arm kit tieing the frame to the the front D44 from MOPAR loaded with 4.88's, ARB and alloys and the rear Rock Jock 60 with ARB and alloys. Front and rear bumpers with 10,000# winch (synthetic rope and hawse fairlead), 35x12.5x15 KM2's on steelies, SYE w/CV's, Tube fenders, on board air... (0 fabrication, 100% bolt on rig, easily duplicated)

OPTION #2- TJ RUBICON with winch and bumpers and tires.. (Rockin' it with the most capable factory rig ever).


So what best represents your buying decisions-

Option 1- A custom rig buildable in stages
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Option 2- The most capable turn key rig ever to roll off an assembly line

Again, budget is equal...with equal build costs.

PLEASE give your opinion on this and not only vote but also give your comments why.

Happy Trails!

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Old March 24th, 2010, 10:18 PM   #2
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for the simple fact of advertizing i would say go with a stock rubi. But if its only for the jeep blessing people there are already gonna know how awesome a rubi is and like the built up tj. If this vehicle is gonna sit at the dealer and gain attention i would stick with the stock rubi. .02
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Old March 24th, 2010, 11:45 PM   #3
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personaly i would go for the stock ruby and and upgrade as i go.
but, to represent on of michigan's top jeep dealerships, flikkema i'm assuming as i see you live in Hudsonville, and if i am assuming correctly i would never think of bringing my jeep to any other dealer unless i had no other choice at the time. the crew there is top notch to say the least!!!
to represent i think the built tj would be the way to go as it would show people that you are not just the dealership but also the hook up for good aftermarket parts, good people and damn good service.
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Sorry, not Flikkema... And this rig will be for actual wheeling and trail runs. Also used to show what we can do for our customers- Not only sales, but parts and service as well. Every part used will be a part out of our catalogs!

Leading by example...not just showing bling on the lot.
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Old March 25th, 2010, 02:11 AM   #5
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I am an avid wheeler as well, and I know what would impress me the most.




Unfortunately again, Cube's Junk has been left off your poll.
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Old March 25th, 2010, 02:42 AM   #6
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Same thing I said on Pirate4x4:

Flaming aside I would rather see a dealership with a built jeep then a stock jeep with a few mall crawler upgrades. Show that your really into offroading and not just there to sell a jeep.

I live in Traverse and the offroading has grown quite a bit thanks to all the Offroad parks expanding. Should have done a huge Trailer and expo at the Dog Party thousands of offroaders and a whole lot of fun.
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Sorry, not Flikkema... And this rig will be for actual wheeling and trail runs. Also used to show what we can do for our customers- Not only sales, but parts and service as well. Every part used will be a part out of our catalogs!

Leading by example...not just showing bling on the lot.
well, ya know what they say about assuming. my bad.

a built rig from a dealer would be a good way to show what you can do.
we need more jeep freindly dealers that will do that kind of work.

we have found sence we bought our new jk, not all of the dealers are jeep freindly. it's frustrating.

any plans to post a rig build of whatever one you choose?
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-99tj
-60's
-linked properly without a bolt on kit unless you can get good numbers from a bolt on available now, no more lift than what's needed .
-auto, some aftermarket case but that can be upgraded later.
37's
-103+ wheelbase
-the rest of the usual protection and bolt ons to finish it off.

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Old March 25th, 2010, 09:05 AM   #9
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a built rig from a dealer would be a good way to show what you can do.
we need more jeep freindly dealers that will do that kind of work.

we have found sence we bought our new jk, not all of the dealers are jeep freindly. it's frustrating.

any plans to post a rig build of whatever one you choose?
Well here at Harold Zeigler, we "Speak Jeep"! You are not alone with your frustrations, it is unfortunate that more dealers don't know the Jeep line and it's capabilities.

And yes, I will be posting the build here.
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I would rather see a dealership with a built jeep then a stock jeep with a few mall crawler upgrades. Show that your really into offroading and not just there to sell a jeep.


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-99tj
-60's
-linked properly without a bolt on kit unless you can get good numbers from a bolt on available now, no more lift than what's needed .
-auto, some aftermarket case but that can be upgraded later.
37's
-103+ wheelbase
-the rest of the usual protection and bolt ons to finish it off.

$0.02
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Question: Why a TJ??? If this is a dealer Jeep then do a JK. A customer can't buy a new TJ any longer unless it's on the used car lot and isnt AEV already doing this for the dealerships
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-99tj
-60's
-linked properly without a bolt on kit unless you can get good numbers from a bolt on available now, no more lift than what's needed .
-auto, some aftermarket case but that can be upgraded later.
37's
-103+ wheelbase
-the rest of the usual protection and bolt ons to finish it off.

$0.02

I agree. I think you're headed in the wrong direction with that D44 front right off the bat.
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I agree. I think you're headed in the wrong direction with that D44 front right off the bat.

Well as far as builds go, perhaps. But this is being built to show what the average wheeler might want and although it is the first build for me in a while without a 60 up front...a properly built 44 is plenty stout for 35's and a 4.0. the cost difference between the two is substantial for the front while the rear is more like a $700 difference and that is where the strength is most needed.
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where is the neither option? do something different. there will be handfulls of both listed and you will just be like the next guy. why don't you get a diesel liberty and throw all that stuff on that, or a patriot.
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And this rig will be for actual wheeling and trail runs. Also used to show what we can do for our customers- Not only sales, but parts and service as well. Every part used will be a part out of our catalogs!

Leading by example...not just showing bling on the lot.
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Well as far as builds go, perhaps. But this is being built to show what the average wheeler might want and although it is the first build for me in a while without a 60 up front...a properly built 44 is plenty stout for 35's and a 4.0. the cost difference between the two is substantial for the front while the rear is more like a $700 difference and that is where the strength is most needed.

I think you have some conflicting philosophies that should be addressed before you get to the point of no return in the build. For TJ owners, the front axle is far more of a concern since that is usually where the breakage occurrs and there is only one bolt-in option that isn't even a "real" D44. Sounds like that's the one you're using, too.

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If you are staying with 35s then a front axle swap is pointless. You're better off keeping the 30 and putting cv's in it. I don't consider a Dana 44 an upgrade to a 30 since cvs have become popular.

30 or a 60. Anything else is pissing away money.
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How will one know that it was built up and it is the trail leader rig at the Blessing?
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my vote says diesel grand cherokee with whatever is needed to clear 35's nicely. spend the time and money making the suspension work properly.

or do a tj/jk with the 3.0 diesel swaped in with factory parts.
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How will one know that it was built up and it is the trail leader rig at the Blessing?
It will be wrapped with a decal...you won't miss it!

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If you are staying with 35s then a front axle swap is pointless. You're better off keeping the 30 and putting cv's in it. I don't consider a Dana 44 an upgrade to a 30 since cvs have become popular.

30 or a 60. Anything else is pissing away money.
To a point, the 44 is a far superior axle in strength to a 30...even if it is a Rubi axle.

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I think you have some conflicting philosophies that should be addressed before you get to the point of no return in the build. For TJ owners, the front axle is far more of a concern since that is usually where the breakage occurrs and there is only one bolt-in option that isn't even a "real" D44. Sounds like that's the one you're using, too.
You have to remember that the vast majority of Jeep builds are off the shelf parts...this does not mean that it is not a "real" rig or even not extreme to the average enthusiast.

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my vote says diesel grand cherokee with whatever is needed to clear 35's nicely. spend the time and money making the suspension work properly.

or do a tj/jk with the 3.0 diesel swaped in with factory parts.
Although that would be cool (especially considering I have done numerous ZJ's and WJ's from mild to wild)...but it is a NICHE market with VERY few customers country wide.
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