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Old March 18th, 2010, 08:40 AM   #121
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I am pro choice but I think that abortion should NOT be available to just some dumb ass that doesn't know enough to use birth control and make good choices. But I think it should be allowed if 1. the mother was raped and doesnt want to keep it. 2. There is something very wrong with the baby. 3. It would be life threatening to the mother to carry to full term.

And I agree with mikesova, you men can have your thoughts on the subject but until you have been in the shoes of a woman who was raped or had to make that choice, you really have no clue what its like...
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Old March 18th, 2010, 08:47 AM   #122
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Old March 18th, 2010, 09:26 AM   #123
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I just got a coupon in the mail for 25% off any abortion in the second trimester. They also offer cookies in the waiting room.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 10:12 AM   #124
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I am pro choice but I think that abortion should NOT be available to just some dumb ass that doesn't know enough to use birth control and make good choices. But I think it should be allowed if 1. the mother was raped and doesnt want to keep it. 2. There is something very wrong with the baby. 3. It would be life threatening to the mother to carry to full term.

And I agree with mikesova, you men can have your thoughts on the subject but until you have been in the shoes of a woman who was raped or had to make that choice, you really have no clue what its like...
I would work towards a compromise that if raped then you could have a choice of an abortion but all other abortions are illegal. Seems like that would solve a lot of arguments. I do not believe it's right but at minimum there will be millions of children that are not killed just because of convience.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 10:22 AM   #125
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I would work towards a compromise that if raped then you could have a choice of an abortion but all other abortions are illegal. Seems like that would solve a lot of arguments. I do not believe it's right but at minimum there will be millions of children that are not killed just because of convience.
It's not about solving arguments . It's about people making their own choice .

Why do You think You should be able to take someones choice away?
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Old March 18th, 2010, 10:35 AM   #126
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It's not about solving arguments . It's about people making their own choice .

Why do You think You should be able to take someones choice away?
Murder, seems like when you make the choice to commit murder you are punished in every instance except for when you murder the ones that have no voice. It's about a group of people coming together to make laws. You make laws because people in some cases need to be persuaded from doing certain things , ie Murder. Unforutantly in society not all are ever going to be happy with the laws made and that is why a majority usually rules.

Have you ever studied how laws are made? It's highly intriguing.

Edit: I also believe that it will always be a choice because the morals of this country are horrendous and I don't believe that just people with good morals who look down on the holocaust of abortion will change the rules in the supreme court to where they should be because they will never have the chance of being elected to the position.

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Old March 18th, 2010, 10:39 AM   #127
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I would work towards a compromise that if raped then you could have a choice of an abortion but all other abortions are illegal. Seems like that would solve a lot of arguments. I do not believe it's right but at minimum there will be millions of children that are not killed just because of convience.

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Murder, seems like when you make the choice to commit murder you are punished in every instance except for when you murder the ones that have no voice. It's about a group of people coming together to make laws. You make laws because people in some cases need to be persuaded from doing certain things , ie Murder. Unforutantly in society not all are ever going to be happy with the laws made and that is why a majority usually rules.

Have you ever studied how laws are made? It's highly intriguing.
It's hard to tell what your stance is...it's murder, which is unacceptable, but could be acceptable to you in the case of rape, to solve arguments?
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Old March 18th, 2010, 10:42 AM   #128
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It's hard to tell what your stance is...it's murder, which is unacceptable, but could be acceptable to you in the case of rape, to solve arguments?
That is what most laws do. They make compromises. We have already discussed that a small percentage of abortions come from rape if we have to keep the small # to save that large # then so be it. I even already posted this train of thought but you just skipped over it apparently.

Edit: Most laws are not going to please 100% of the population, ie seatbelt law. We have a law that forces people to protect themselves but at the same time have a law that allows the murder of the innocent every day.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 10:44 AM   #129
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Murder, seems like when you make the choice to commit murder you are punished in every instance except for when you murder the ones that have no voice. It's about a group of people coming together to make laws. You make laws because people in some cases need to be persuaded from doing certain things , ie Murder. Unforutantly in society not all are ever going to be happy with the laws made and that is why a majority usually rules.

Just because YOU call it murder doesn't mean that it is, thats just YOUR belief.

Have you ever studied how laws are made? It's highly intriguing.

Edit: I also believe that it will always be a choice because the morals of this country are horrendous and I don't believe that just people with good morals who look down on the holocaust of abortion will change the rules in the supreme court to where they should be because they will never have the chance of being elected to the position.
So you are saying that if someone who was raped (not something they choose to have happen to them) and they deside to have an abortion means that they have NO MORALS?????? I would like to know just who you think you are?
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Old March 18th, 2010, 10:45 AM   #130
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I would work towards a compromise that if raped then you could have a choice of an abortion but all other abortions are illegal. Seems like that would solve a lot of arguments. I do not believe it's right but at minimum there will be millions of children that are not killed just because of convience.
How many of those millions of unwanted children will you sign up to take care of? Or will you do as suggested earlier and forget about them and whatever messed up situation they were born into after you saved them from abortion?
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Old March 18th, 2010, 10:46 AM   #131
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So you are saying that if someone who was raped (not something they choose to have happen to them) and they deside to have an abortion means that they have NO MORALS?????? I would like to know just who you think you are?
Though choice huh? Its terrible when people actually have to look deep inside and make those decisions.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 10:48 AM   #132
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How many of those millions of unwanted children will you sign up to take care of? Or will you do as suggested earlier and forget about them and whatever messed up situation they were born into after you saved them from abortion?
We are having our own. I don't know if I can even take care of the one I'm about to have. I did make a choice and now I'm having a baby that I'm keeping.

I am not the ones that want a baby so bad and can't have one, we are blessed. Would I think about adopting, sure.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 10:59 AM   #133
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I just went to Detroit. Talk about a bunch of people walking around that should have been aborted!
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Old March 18th, 2010, 11:06 AM   #134
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There is no issue regarding weather a baby is human and or alive. Conception is the start of a unique individual. any time after conception if you stop the growth of that unique individual you have killed a human, plain and simple. The argument can be made about viability and dependency on the mother but it is still the same unique individual.

Everybody has their opinion about abortion, and that's your right. I believe it's wrong under any circumstances. You can say what if whatever and I'll tell you right now copy and paste I believe it's wrong because that's the only answer you will get from me.

The very first right that everyone has regardless of how they where conceived, what income bracket their born into, or any thing else, is the right to live. Abortion takes that right away, period.

I don't believe anybody has the authority to take that right away weather its 10 minutes after conception, 3 months after conception, a year after, 10 years after, or ever. Because you are ending the life of a unique individual.

Abortion is legal in this country, so I'm sure the argument of legality will come up. My answer to that is the laws are what the are, and that doesn't mean I agree with them. I would rather see slavery reinstated then abortion be legal, after all that was a law.

My position won't change until I have satisfactory proof that after conception there is not human life. Until then I believe it's killing a human how has done no harm to anyone..

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Old March 18th, 2010, 11:17 AM   #135
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Conception is the start of a unique individual. any time after conception if you stop the growth of that unique individual you have killed a human, plain and simple.
Apparently, roughly 50% of Pregnant Women are abortionists then.

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More than 80% of miscarriages occur within the first three months of pregnancy. Less likely they occur after 20 weeks gestation; these are termed late miscarriages.
these women are stopping the growth of a unique individual.

Luckily, Utah has gotten the point and has criminalized miscarriage.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 11:25 AM   #136
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Apparently, roughly 50% of Pregnant Women are abortionists then.



these women are stopping the growth of a unique individual.

Luckily, Utah has gotten the point and has criminalized miscarriage.
I love how you can't/might/wont see the difference of the body rejecting a fetus due to what ever BIOLOGICAL reason and a human doing the same because of a choice. How many of those abortions would have gone on to be great humans? When the body rejects it there is a reason. I guess if you ever get Jess prego you'll know more about the female then you ever thought could be possible. I guess using your reasoning you are correct and that's what you want to hear
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Old March 18th, 2010, 11:39 AM   #137
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Luckily, Utah has gotten the point and has criminalized miscarriage.
Wow whats up with people in utah?
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Old March 18th, 2010, 11:49 AM   #138
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I love how you can't/might/wont see the difference of the body rejecting a fetus due to what ever BIOLOGICAL reason and a human doing the same because of a choice. How many of those abortions would have gone on to be great humans? When the body rejects it there is a reason. I guess if you ever get Jess prego you'll know more about the female then you ever thought could be possible. I guess using your reasoning you are correct and that's what you want to hear
I know the difference, it must be that god is the abortionist.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 11:54 AM   #139
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I know the difference, it must be that god is the abortionist.
He does know best and works in mysterious ways. (Can't wait to see you twist/spin this. )
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I guess using your reasoning you are correct and that's what you want to hear
I think the same goes for you too
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