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Old March 16th, 2010, 09:27 PM   #61
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There are lots of abortions that happen on this site..... Just look in the vehicles for sale and rig build forums.....
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Old March 16th, 2010, 09:28 PM   #62
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How are babies made anyways?
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Old March 16th, 2010, 09:31 PM   #63
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Imagine all the unwanted babies growing up, unwanted, in a shitty home. They could then grow up to be the "worthless" people on public assistance that you guys are so well known for bitching about.
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Imagine all the unwanted babies growing up, unwanted, in a shitty home. They could then grow up to be the "worthless" people on public assistance that you guys are so well known for bitching about.
So because they are unwanted they automatically become the "worthless" people on public assistance? Wow, those poor kids.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 10:28 PM   #65
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What you fail to realize is that not everyone feels that someone dies. You see the fetus as a living thing, others do not see it as such until it is viable. Until it is viable it is a parasite, sorry, it is.

Until it is viable you are placing the priority in the ethical debate on a parasite before a living, breathing, THINKING, human.

Yes I am pragmatic, no, don't feel sorry for me.
You can look into the womb and see that this unborn child has fingers,toes a nose arms and legs and you call it a fetus. It looks like a human baby to me and anybody else that was to look at the same picture. Because that is what it is. It is living inside the womb, it is breathing inside the womb and thinking, "brain function".
What is society turning into when people(intelligent people) think of our unborn children as parasites?
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Old March 16th, 2010, 10:34 PM   #66
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So because they are unwanted they automatically become the "worthless" people on public assistance? Wow, those poor kids.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 10:35 PM   #67
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You can look into the womb and see that this unborn child has fingers,toes a nose arms and legs and you call it a fetus. It looks like a human baby to me and anybody else that was to look at the same picture. Because that is what it is. It is living inside the womb, it is breathing inside the womb and thinking, "brain function".
What is society turning into when people(intelligent people) think of our unborn children as parasites?
Too many dumb fucks running around. If they're born to shit parents, they're bound for shittieness. With the size of the world the way it is, and humans basically being locusts devouring it, let's have people who want kids and are likely to take at least half ass care of them have kids. You want to keep paying for the irresponsibly concieved fuck-trophys?
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Old March 16th, 2010, 10:37 PM   #68
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The problem is that there would not be enough homes for these unwanted babies. So what happens to them then?
Also with that thinking what would happen to the father? Since the mother has to deal with this "inconvience", he should not get off without any consequences.
I do believe that the babies would be better off alive than dead and the line for couples to adopt is long. There would be no problem finding good loving homes for these wanted babies.
The mother would be giving the child up for adoption so there would be no need for the father unless he wanted to adopt or make a custody claim. As far as consequences for the father wack his pee pee
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Old March 16th, 2010, 10:41 PM   #69
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Too many dumb fucks running around. If they're born to shit parents, they're bound for shittieness. With the size of the world the way it is, and humans basically being locusts devouring it, let's have people who want kids and are likely to take at least half ass care of them have kids. You want to keep paying for the irresponsibly concieved fuck-trophys?
True alot of stupid people out there. And this world is really huge and lots of room for more people. What about the parents that cannot conceive? and there are plenty of them that cannot have thier own kids, this would be a perfect way to give unwanted kids a good life.
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Have you ever tried to adopt a child? It is not as easy as you think. Thats why alot of people adopt from over seas.
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Have you ever tried to adopt a child? It is not as easy as you think. Thats why alot of people adopt from over seas.
You are correct there is way too much political involvment. That is why the government needs to be cut back. We need to abort some fat cats in Washington
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viability is defined by the fetal development. If it can survive outside of the uterus, it is viable. With modern medicine this is about 23 weeks +- 3-4 days. This is dependent on the lung development. Up until this point, we cannot do a damn thing for them. Even the ones at 23 weeks we can do little for, many develop BPD and end up being blind. This is due to ROP (retinopathy of prematurity) formerly known as retrolentalfibroplasia.

Even at this point of the infant has a poor prognosis it is the mothers call to continue or forgo treatment.
Human life starts at conception and ends about 80-90 years later, so when you end that life, weather its at a point of being a parisite as you believe, or not viable, which has a definitive date of about, you have killed the same person that starts at conception and ends some 80-90years later.

You have the option to argue the different stages of development, but that doesn't change the unwaivering fact that from conception to natural death that is the same person.
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Roe V. Wade. You or no one else has the right under the law to tell anyone else what to do with their bodies and thank god we dont have that kind of government control; yet.
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Have you ever tried to adopt a child? It is not as easy as you think. Thats why alot of people adopt from over seas.
So because our laws make adoption difficult abortion is a better idea?
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Old March 17th, 2010, 12:34 AM   #76
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Imagine all the unwanted babies growing up, unwanted, in a shitty home. They could then grow up to be the "worthless" people on public assistance that you guys are so well known for bitching about.
So because there is a possibility of them growing up "worthless" we are better off killing them before they get a chance?
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Old March 17th, 2010, 12:40 AM   #77
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The problem is that there would not be enough homes for these unwanted babies. So what happens to them then?
Also with that thinking what would happen to the father? Since the mother has to deal with this "inconvience", he should not get off without any consequences.
I agree that that is a big problem. It just seems to me that a civilized society should be able to come up with a better solution than killing the baby before it's born.
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Roe V. Wade. You or no one else has the right under the law to tell anyone else what to do with their bodies and thank god we dont have that kind of government control; yet.
Roe V. Wade. A baby has no rights until it manages to escape it's mother womb. Pretty sad state of affairs that a mothers womb has become one of the most dangerous places for a baby to be.
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So because there is a possibility of them growing up "worthless" we are better off killing them before they get a chance?
not necessarily, just speculating. I know that a lot of these guys are pro-life until birth, then they don't give a shit what happens to people.
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Roe V. Wade. You or no one else has the right under the law to tell anyone else what to do with their bodies and thank god we dont have that kind of government control; yet.
I for one would like a government that outlaws murder. They get it right when they give the killer two counts if a mother and unborn baby die.

Two bad we had some judges that didn't do the right thing and look at where we are now. Look at the Holocaust of humans since that terrible day in history.
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