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Old March 17th, 2010, 09:56 AM   #81
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I wish i would have been in this argument all along. For one, I have lost my brakes before due to over heating and I was not on an e way doing 90, I was in down town detroit racing between stop lights. Before I knew it I was in the intersection with my foot pressing as hard as I could on the brakes. I guarantee my car would have accelerated to what ever speed if I would have mashed the gas. Also Greesemonkey, you really think the power assist doesnt help add any more torque to the braking system? OK. Just like using a longer wrench doesnt add any torque to loosening a nut, your still just using your hand to move it. By the way I have lots of race car brake data if you would like to see it. When race cars get stuck at WOT they dont slow down.
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Old March 17th, 2010, 10:36 AM   #82
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I wish i would have been in this argument all along. For one, I have lost my brakes before due to over heating and I was not on an e way doing 90, I was in down town detroit racing between stop lights. Before I knew it I was in the intersection with my foot pressing as hard as I could on the brakes. I guarantee my car would have accelerated to what ever speed if I would have mashed the gas. Also Greesemonkey, you really think the power assist doesnt help add any more torque to the braking system? OK. Just like using a longer wrench doesnt add any torque to loosening a nut, your still just using your hand to move it. By the way I have lots of race car brake data if you would like to see it. When race cars get stuck at WOT they dont slow down.


Of course brake fade is going to lead to brake failure and not being able to stop.

Using a longer wrench doesn't multiply torque? Are you fucking high?
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Old March 17th, 2010, 10:40 AM   #83
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Of course brake fade is going to lead to brake failure and not being able to stop.

Using a longer wrench doesn't multiply torque? Are you fucking high?
ability to sense sarcasm, are you fucking retarded?
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Old March 17th, 2010, 10:42 AM   #84
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ability to sense sarcasm, are you fucking retarded?
If that was sarcasm, I guess I am.
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Old March 17th, 2010, 10:43 AM   #85
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If that was sarcasm, I guess I am.
you couldnt sense the sarcasm in that? I am not being sarcastic in my reply here at all...but you really couldn't sense that green was being sarcastic?

If that is true, you ARE fucking retarded.
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Old March 17th, 2010, 10:45 AM   #86
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you couldnt sense the sarcasm in that? I am not being sarcastic in my reply here at all...but you really couldn't sense that green was being sarcastic?

If that is true, you ARE fucking retarded.
I honestly couldn't. I don't read his posts much, so I really don't know how he posts or his personality type.

Sorry I don't possess my secret sarcasm text detecting decoder ring.
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Old March 17th, 2010, 10:59 AM   #87
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Some people are not good at this.
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Old March 17th, 2010, 11:05 AM   #88
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Some people are not good at this.
Nope, that's why I'll delete him from facebook too.
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Old March 17th, 2010, 11:46 AM   #89
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Nope, that's why I'll delete him from facebook too.
Youre going to delete me from Facebook!?!?!?!?! NOOOO!!!!

By the way, you dont think the Prius could have brake fade doing 90 MPH down the highway at full throttle?


P.S. There is not sarcasm in the second part of this post.


And no a longer wrench does not multiply the torque, it just makes you feel better. Its mind over matter.

P.S.S. You should read more of my posts. just a suggestion.
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Old March 17th, 2010, 05:07 PM   #90
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still going huh?
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Old March 17th, 2010, 05:23 PM   #91
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Nope, that's why I'll delete him from facebook too.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 04:50 PM   #92
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Why don't we just chalk it up to evolution? Some people are going to be high ons and pull this shit. It's just the way the world works.
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Old April 9th, 2010, 01:06 PM   #93
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I know I'm bring this one back from the dead a bit, but I just found this info in the May issue of Motor Trend, page 58.

Unintended Acceleration

Can the engine outpower the brakes?

We accelerated to 60 MPH, floored the gas, and then nailed the brakes. The recalled Toyota and the 2011 Sonata were the only two that automatically cut engine power while the brake was applied, and as a result stopping distances were virtually unchanged (as they were with the still revving Nissan).

Braking Distances from 60 MPH


Chevrolet Malibu
Brake Pedal Only: 130 ft
At Wide-Open Throttle: 167 ft
Approx Braking HP: 534 HP


Ford Fusion
Brake Pedal Only: 124 ft
At Wide-Open Throttle: 152 ft
Approx Braking HP: 559 HP


Honda Accord
Brake Pedal Only: 125 ft
At Wide-Open Throttle: 129 ft
Approx Braking HP: 544 HP


Hyundai Sonata
Brake Pedal Only: 123 ft
At Wide-Open Throttle: 124 ft
Approx Braking HP: 545 HP


Nissan Altima
Brake Pedal Only: 124 ft
At Wide-Open Throttle: 124 ft
Approx Braking HP: 525 HP


Subaru Legacy
Brake Pedal Only: 121 ft
At Wide-Open Throttle: 124 ft
Approx Braking HP: 587 HP


Toyota Camry
Brake Pedal Only: 128 ft
At Wide-Open Throttle: 128 ft
Approx Braking HP: 537 HP
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Old April 9th, 2010, 01:21 PM   #94
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Our research has shown, though, that in panic situations, the average driver doesn't usualyl do the right thing. (Its still an age where people try to pump/modulate the pedal on ABS, for pete's sake).

Brake systems on any modern car overpower even a WOT engine. This comes up all the time, like the Jeep shifter interlock case years back, or the Audi's launching themselves out of parking garages years before that.

But they only work when the operator stops freaking out, gets off the gas, two feet on the brekae and puts it to the floor. And you'd be suprised how often they don't.
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Our research has shown, though, that in panic situations, the average driver doesn't usualyl do the right thing. (Its still an age where people try to pump/modulate the pedal on ABS, for pete's sake).

Brake systems on any modern car overpower even a WOT engine. This comes up all the time, like the Jeep shifter interlock case years back, or the Audi's launching themselves out of parking garages years before that.

But they only work when the operator stops freaking out, gets off the gas, two feet on the brekae and puts it to the floor. And you'd be suprised how often they don't.
Yes, very true.
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Old April 9th, 2010, 01:41 PM   #96
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For the record, I've never seen anyone doing a 'brake-torque' with both feet on the brake pedal, pushing hard enough to flex their seat frames.... Just saying.

But, if someone could plumb in a gauge, put the line pressure to 150bar, and report back how it went, that'd be great.
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Old April 9th, 2010, 01:47 PM   #97
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i was passed by a speeding toyota last week and i couldn't stop laughing. hahah
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i couldn't stop laughing. hahah
I would sue. There should a laugh-override installed somewhere.
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Old April 9th, 2010, 02:11 PM   #99
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For the record, I've never seen anyone doing a 'brake-torque' with both feet on the brake pedal, pushing hard enough to flex their seat frames.... Just saying.

But, if someone could plumb in a gauge, put the line pressure to 150bar, and report back how it went, that'd be great.
at one of my old jobs, I had a field vehicle assigned to me. it was an old cop-patrol car - shamu-style caprice.

I didn't flex the seat frame, but it did break... ended up driving it back to the yard with the backrest sitting in the rear seat
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at one of my old jobs, I had a field vehicle assigned to me. it was an old cop-patrol car - shamu-style caprice.

I didn't flex the seat frame, but it did break... ended up driving it back to the yard with the backrest sitting in the rear seat
We had a rig in my old group (We're one of the largest brake suppliers in the world, I worked in brakes for a few years) for testing maximum braking pressure people could generate. Hehhe, can flex those seats out pretty good. The strongest guy could hit 200 bar line pressure.
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