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Old March 3rd, 2010, 05:07 PM   #21
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I don't understand why people have such a problem driving. My jeep doesn't stop in the snow unless you put it in neutral or 4wd because my rear brakes won't adjust like they are supposed to. Have I ever hit anything, no. So why do all these people suck so much at avoiding accidents when something goes wrong.
You fucking jeep doesn't stop - and it is consistent; you're used to it.
It doesn't happen all of a sudden when you're not preparing for it.

I would love to set some of you tough guy expert drivers up with a random number generator hooked up to a critical function of your car. It could fukc up tomorrow or next year; you'll never know.

Even then you e-thugs would still have the benefit of knowing something could go wrong - unlike the people that bought and wrecked Toyota products.
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These problems are not that new. I remember specifically that Volstwagen and Volvo had problems(as mentioned here and here). But Toyota has had this problem across several models for several years. Electrical/Software problems can be tough to figure out when it takes a very specific set of circumstances to trigger it. Of course there have been cases involving every automaker being accused of ignoring a problem because fixing it would cost to much.

I remember in driver's ed the teacher talking about what to do if your throttle stuck. "Put in neutral, brake, and pull off the road. Then turn the vehicle off." Which seems simple enough, but in a panic situation or heavy traffic it can get difficult. But if you're driving around in a vehicle that has serious safety problems you know about maybe you should be sterilized.

Anyway, they should have been able to pull the crash data from the vehicle for this case though. The airbag module will record data from deployment events and PCM's will do the same. I've seen cases before involving drunk drivers and street racers being tried with that data as part of the evidence. If he was really on the brakes that would be recorded. Then again what else was going, was he speeding already, driving reckless? It's hard to say exactly, but if the families of the victim that wanted the max are supporting his release something is up.
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You fucking jeep doesn't stop - and it is consistent; you're used to it.
It doesn't happen all of a sudden when you're not preparing for it.

I would love to set some of you tough guy expert drivers up with a random number generator hooked up to a critical function of your car. It could fukc up tomorrow or next year; you'll never know.

Even then you e-thugs would still have the benefit of knowing something could go wrong - unlike the people that bought and wrecked Toyota products.
Agreed Scooter, nobody really knows how they are going to react to a panic situation until it happens. But why is some clown driving around a vehicle with brake issues? I hope some old lady never pulls out in front of you when the roads are shitty.

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Rhonda Smith, of Sevierville, Tenn., said her Lexus raced out of control to speeds up to 100 miles an hour, and that nothing she did to try to stop it worked including braking and shifting into neutral. "I prayed to God to help me," she said, fighting back tears.

"After six miles, God intervened" and slowed the car, Smith said. She said she was finally able to pull off the road onto a median and turn off the engine. She said it took a long time for Toyota to respond to her complaints and even then it was dismissive.
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6 Miles of out of control! Sounds like that lady got lucky.
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/02/...appeal/?hpt=C2

I think this is quite interesting. This guy killed three people in a collision and now his attorney is trying to use the Toyota recall as proof of his innocence, even though his 1996 Camry was built long before the list of recalled vehicles. Yet, there have been several other documented sudden acceleration cases that have now come to light involving late '90s model Toyota's. I would feel sorry for the guy if he truly was innocent and had to serve time for an accident that was not his fault, but at the same time I can't help but to wonder if they are just trying to take advantage of the current recall to free him from prison.

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dude has his pregnant wife, father, etc. in the car with him, doubtful he is driving 90-100 mph weaving in and out of traffic intending to slam into people, asians may be bad drivers, but very few of them truely seem to have massive amounts of road rage.

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You fucking jeep doesn't stop - and it is consistent; you're used to it.
It doesn't happen all of a sudden when you're not preparing for it.

I would love to set some of you tough guy expert drivers up with a random number generator hooked up to a critical function of your car. It could fukc up tomorrow or next year; you'll never know.

Even then you e-thugs would still have the benefit of knowing something could go wrong - unlike the people that bought and wrecked Toyota products.
sometimes dont you feel like your just wasting your breathe? I know I feel that way, a LOT
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You fucking jeep doesn't stop - and it is consistent; you're used to it.
It doesn't happen all of a sudden when you're not preparing for it.

I would love to set some of you tough guy expert drivers up with a random number generator hooked up to a critical function of your car. It could fukc up tomorrow or next year; you'll never know.

Even then you e-thugs would still have the benefit of knowing something could go wrong - unlike the people that bought and wrecked Toyota products.


Maybe none of this is even Toyota's fault. It could be sabotage from the die hard "buy american" people.
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Maybe none of this is even Toyota's fault. It could be sabotage from the die hard "buy american" people.
you just proved you were a retard....well this and the "my rear brakes dont work and I keep driving on the street" part too...
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you just proved you were a retard....well this and the "my rear brakes dont work and I keep driving on the street" part too...
I never said anything about driving my jeep on the street and the sabotage part was only a joke.
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Old March 3rd, 2010, 06:15 PM   #28
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Maybe none of this is even Toyota's fault. It could be sabotage from the die hard "buy american" people.
Shhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

We're going after the Koreans next, Fucker!
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Old March 3rd, 2010, 06:33 PM   #29
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Shhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

We're going after the Koreans next, Fucker!
Really, China's the country to watch out for. Japan/Korean automakers are at least playing the game here, China's looking for world domination. Wait till they call in all their loans at once...
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Ignorance abounds.

If you have never experienced a car doing its own thing while you're at the controls, you will never understand.
I'm glad you're the only one that gets it.

I don't feel like going into the complete details, but a couple years ago I was in a snowmobile crash due to a stuck throttle and got busted up. Bad. There was less than 40 feet between the point the throttle stuck and the point of impact. Given how fast a sled can accelerate, I had literally milliseconds to react. I got my first sled at around the age of 4 or 5. I've also ridden motocross just about as long. Needless to say, I'm far from being inexperienced. Yet, countless ignorant people asked me why I didn't just jump off the back or hit the kill switch. Now I know a car doesn't accelerate as fast as a sled, but I can fully understand these driver's thought process as they are at the mercy of a stuck accelerator. I don't care who you are or how great of a driver you think you are, when you lose control of a vehicle due to a mechanical malfunction and you only have seconds to react before a disaster, shock WILL set in, especially when driving at highway speeds. And you will only panic worse when you realize your brakes are helpless.

This man was not sentenced because he could not shut his car off after his accelerator stuck. He was sentenced because nobody believed his accelerator stuck. Now his case is being re-examined to see if he was really telling the truth from the beginning. Hence the point of the article.
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I'm not ignorant, just very skeptical.

While I have not been behind the wheel of one of these vehicles, it doesn't take a fucking genious to realize there are alternatives ways to stop a vehicle aside from pressing the brakes.
Doesn't crashing into stopped vehicles count as an alternative way to stop?

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You fucking jeep doesn't stop - and it is consistent; you're used to it.
It doesn't happen all of a sudden when you're not preparing for it.

I would love to set some of you tough guy expert drivers up with a random number generator hooked up to a critical function of your car. It could fukc up tomorrow or next year; you'll never know.

Even then you e-thugs would still have the benefit of knowing something could go wrong - unlike the people that bought and wrecked Toyota products.
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Agreed Scooter, nobody really knows how they are going to react to a panic situation until it happens. .....
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And even if the guy made a MISTAKE and pushed the gas instead of the brakes, unless there are other circumstances such as driving on a revoked licence, a history of reckless driving prior to the accident, etc that are not disclosed in the articles, 8 years in jail seems pretty steep for a traffic accident.

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....... It's hard to say exactly, but if the families of the victim that wanted the max are supporting his release something is up.
Yes, its called money. If the driver is responsible for the crash then the families cannot collect $$$ from Toyota. If unintended acceleration because of a vehicle malfunction is to blame then the families can cash in.
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I'm glad you're the only one that gets it.

I don't feel like going into the complete details, but a couple years ago I was in a snowmobile crash due to a stuck throttle and got busted up. Bad. There was less than 40 feet between the point the throttle stuck and the point of impact. Given how fast a sled can accelerate, I had literally milliseconds to react. I got my first sled at around the age of 4 or 5. I've also ridden motocross just about as long. Needless to say, I'm far from being inexperienced. Yet, countless ignorant people asked me why I didn't just jump off the back or hit the kill switch. Now I know a car doesn't accelerate as fast as a sled, but I can fully understand these driver's thought process as they are at the mercy of a stuck accelerator. I don't care who you are or how great of a driver you think you are, when you lose control of a vehicle due to a mechanical malfunction and you only have seconds to react before a disaster, shock WILL set in, especially when driving at highway speeds. And you will only panic worse when you realize your brakes are helpless.

This man was not sentenced because he could not shut his car off after his accelerator stuck. He was sentenced because nobody believed his accelerator stuck. Now his case is being re-examined to see if he was really telling the truth from the beginning. Hence the point of the article.
the throttle return spring in my boat broke, at 80 mph I was coming up on the end of the lake pretty quick, I lifted, the boat did not. It scared the shit out of me. It did finally slow down but it's not at all like most people think it is, so much easier said than done.
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the throttle return spring in my boat broke, at 80 mph I was coming up on the end of the lake pretty quick, I lifted, the boat did not. It scared the shit out of me. It did finally slow down but it's not at all like most people think it is, so much easier said than done.


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the throttle return spring in my boat broke, at 80 mph I was coming up on the end of the lake pretty quick, I lifted, the boat did not. It scared the shit out of me. It did finally slow down but it's not at all like most people think it is, so much easier said than done.
It's the worst scenario imaginable when it happens unexpectedly.

I used to have a 8x8 ARGO that had a throttle cable that would occasionally stick from the time it was new. Never could figure out exactly why. It was basically just a bad design in general. But considering it was far from being a high speed vehicle and it happened more than once, it was a completely different case. It was already in the back on my head that it could happen at anytime and I was prepared for it at all times. Not to mention the brakes could completely override the engine.

But I have to agree, it is much easier said than done.
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I guess I never really read into it. I was under the assumption that it happened during acceleration mostly not at random time.

I once asked a GM engineer what would happen it the electronic throttle body failed at WOT and he said it can't. I asked him how because electronic components don't always fail the same way and he didn't have an answer. I do know that a bad ground can cause the throttle to not open all the way. So at least there is some sort of fail safe.

As far as this guy trying to get out of jail because of this recall. I don't blame him but I don't see why he went in the first place. Unless it was found that he tried to hit the other car.
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I had the throttle stick wide open on my 1987 Yugo GTV. I was on the highway and the car just went crazy when the throttle stuck. I tried to shut the car off but the key broke in my hands. I tried to stand on the brakes but the only thing that happed was the peddle went to the floor. I even tried shifting it into neutral but the damn cable broke on the shifter leaving the transmission in drive. Luckily, I was on a straight section of I75 with little traffic around me. After 6 miles of continous acceleration, the car was approaching speeds of 58 mph. I was panic stricken because I've never been able to get the car over 50 mph in the past so I was not sure if it would hold together at these speeds. Unable to get the car to respond to any of my actions, I gave up and put my faith in God. Luckily, God just happened to be finishing his lunch so he was able to pay attention to my plight and keep me from dying. At the exact instant I thought I was a goner, the last of the 87 cents worth of fuel I had put in earlier was consumed by the engine. The car shut down and I coasted to the side of the road where I just sat there for several minutes thankful to be alive.
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Am I missing something here? Is shutting the car off, shifting into neutral, downshifting so you aren't doing 90 not an option? I would like to know what "everything in his power" was exactly.

I say guilty as fukc and using this as a reason to get out.
Toyota uses electronics in all of their things, the shifter is not actually connected to the gearbox, and if you go over a certain mph, the PCM will not allow the gearbox to be shifted into a lower gear and because the vehicle was accelerating so rapidly, the pcm would not allow neutral, as that could damage the engine. When i worked at the toyota dealership, we had NUMEROUS complaints come in from owners of late 90's toyota vehicles stating the the vehicle began acceleration uncontrollably. Why would he purposely kill his own son anyway?
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I had the throttle stick wide open on my 1987 Yugo GTV. I was on the highway and the car just went crazy when the throttle stuck. I tried to shut the car off but the key broke in my hands. I tried to stand on the brakes but the only thing that happed was the peddle went to the floor. I even tried shifting it into neutral but the damn cable broke on the shifter leaving the transmission in drive. Luckily, I was on a straight section of I75 with little traffic around me. After 6 miles of continous acceleration, the car was approaching speeds of 58 mph. I was panic stricken because I've never been able to get the car over 50 mph in the past so I was not sure if it would hold together at these speeds. Unable to get the car to respond to any of my actions, I gave up and put my faith in God. Luckily, God just happened to be finishing his lunch so he was able to pay attention to my plight and keep me from dying. At the exact instant I thought I was a goner, the last of the 87 cents worth of fuel I had put in earlier was consumed by the engine. The car shut down and I coasted to the side of the road where I just sat there for several minutes thankful to be alive.
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