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Gov. assistance is okay in certain cases 37 78.72%
No Gov. assistance ever!! 10 21.28%
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Old July 23rd, 2006, 08:32 PM   #1
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Here's an interesting poll.

So who believes that there should not be any sort of government programs to assist people?

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Old July 23rd, 2006, 08:48 PM   #2
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there should be BUT they should teach you to get off if like time limts.. When I had to be on it to feed my son (realy low paying frist job) the got mad at me when I sugjested I use cupons and teach myself to get off it so when I did I could live. When I was on it I could afford steak when I made enough to get off of it I could not afford hambrger what is wrong with that picture????
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Old July 23rd, 2006, 08:52 PM   #3
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there should be BUT they should teach you to get off if like time limts.. When I had to be on it to feed my son (realy low paying frist job) the got mad at me when I sugjested I use cupons and teach myself to get off it so when I did I could live. When I was on it I could afford steak when I made enough to get off of it I could not afford hambrger what is wrong with that picture????
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Old July 23rd, 2006, 09:00 PM   #4
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Old July 23rd, 2006, 09:02 PM   #5
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Old July 23rd, 2006, 09:15 PM   #6
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sure some well fare is fine, not lifetime .... you simply should not be on wellfare more than 3-4 years max. To remain on well fare for a full 4 years you need to be in school: college, vocational training, something to keep you fed and above the poverty line.
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Old July 23rd, 2006, 09:41 PM   #7
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I get nothing for free, why should others?
I work 70+ hours a week. Why should others get some of my hard earned money when they did nothing to deserve it? I have heard hundreds of times, "we should get paid more". Fuck that...you get what you deserve. If people wanted to make more money, or make something they can live a good life on, do something about it. I racked up over $100,000 in debt for school. I never asked for assistance in that. I paid for it. I did this to provide me with the life I wanted. I am positive the same option is out there for anybody.

But why would others work for it, when they can get it for free?
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Old July 23rd, 2006, 09:45 PM   #8
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I racked up over $100,000 in debt for school.
Was that through financial aid? If it was then why did you vote for no government assistance at all? Regardless if you have to pay it back it's still assitance. So if it was through finacial aid I think you might want to rethink your vote.
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Old July 23rd, 2006, 10:11 PM   #9
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Was that through financial aid? If it was then why did you vote for no government assistance at all? Regardless if you have to pay it back it's still assitance. So if it was through finacial aid I think you might want to rethink your vote.
Not financial aid, through LOANS. This was for my MBA. This was also not done through Federal loans, but through private loans
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sure some well fare is fine, not lifetime .... you simply should not be on wellfare more than 3-4 years max. To remain on well fare for a full 4 years you need to be in school: college, vocational training, something to keep you fed and above the poverty line.
YAY!! Jamiesann and I agree on something

That is exactly how I feel about welfare!

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Not financial aid, through LOANS. This was for my MBA. This was also not done through Federal loans, but through private loans
I can't wait to get an MBA. So did you pay out of your pocket for your undergrad or did your parents pay for you. If you payed out of your pocket then I salute you, but if you didn't then it just proves that all people need help sometimes is what I'm getting at.

I just wonder how many on here dog government help but was giving student loans to get through college. Yes you have to pay them back and yes it's not free money but if the Government program of student loans was not in place and there was no way of funding college then we might have an unbelieveable smart military or really smart hard working underlings just because they couldn't afford an education. I do believe that a smart person with out a college degree can advance far but they start much lower on the ladder and have to work hard to just catch up.

I am very happy that there is federal programs such as financial aid since my family would not have been able to put me through college.
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Old July 23rd, 2006, 10:58 PM   #11
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I see these 2 things as very different. They are loans...nothing is free and there is interest paid. Yes, not a ton but there still is. Sitting on welfare for years and years...that's different. It's not building a person to be productive in the future.

I'm STILL paying back student loans and I have just applied for more. It ain't free money. Welfare is free money.

Holy crap have the libs got to you.

You need to be un-brain washed.
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I see these 2 things as very different. They are loans...nothing is free and there is interest paid. Yes, not a ton but there still is. Sitting on welfare for years and years...that's different. It's not building a person to be productive in the future.

I'm STILL paying back student loans and I have just applied for more. It ain't free money. Welfare is free money.

Holy crap have the libs got to you.


You need to be un-brain washed.
Regardless of if it's free or not free it is still Government assistance.

When I was going to a college in KY I had to take a class that showed how wellfare basically ruined the appalacian (sp?) region.

I do believe welfare is bad but is a nessacary evil that helps many people. If someone started playing hardball and kicking off the squaters of the program I would be all for it but I guess you'd say the Liberals or someone other hippy group wouldn't allow that but maybe someday that will change.
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Old July 23rd, 2006, 11:10 PM   #13
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I don't a problem with some forms of government assistance and I too have been in situations when I needed it. I had no medical insurance when my son was born and they covered the hospital bills. I'd like to offer a sincere thank you to everyone who paid into that.

but I think the goal of any assistance program should be to get people off assistance.
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Old July 24th, 2006, 12:07 AM   #14
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but I think the goal of any assistance program should be to get people off assistance.
Too bad it isn't set up that way.
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Old July 24th, 2006, 12:23 PM   #15
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It has been proven that welfare breeds dependancy, so I say no. My mom had me at 16. My dad died when she was 3 months pregnant. She worked full time and went to school. Do you know what I learned? I learned a great work ethic.
I agree with Sol Goode on this one. I get nothing for free, and neither should anyone else. In fact, I have done well in my life so I am instead penalized by high taxes.
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Old July 25th, 2006, 10:03 AM   #16
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Come visit me in Fenton. On your way to my house drive down Oak Park Avenue. There are many people on that street that have not had a job in the 5 years I have lived in this neighborhood. They live from the welfare they recieve. Many of them are on drugs or mildly retarded. As such I find myself wondering how to "fix" this problem. If you gave these folks a limit, when the welfare ran out they may very well turn to crime. Thus transfering from a welfare to a crime problem. Teaching them skills is wonderful in concept. But it could become expensive, could be corrupted, and frankly look at how well the government handles education.

I think there should be assistance of some sort. This thread alone shows good people have needed assistance. But I do not know how to deal with the welfare lifers. I'm going to vote for time-limited assistance.
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Old July 25th, 2006, 10:09 AM   #17
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I don't a problem with some forms of government assistance and I too have been in situations when I needed it. I had no medical insurance when my son was born and they covered the hospital bills. I'd like to offer a sincere thank you to everyone who paid into that.
Were you given the option to repay the assistance? I ask because I remember a co-worker years ago that used it for the same reason. We were EMT's earning $4.50/hour, he got his GF pregnant, got married and was able to get assistance from welfare to pay the hospital bills for the birth of his son.

He also went on a payment plan to repay what was given to him.
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In fact, I have done well in my life so I am instead penalized by high taxes.
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This is why I only give $$$ in charity to local people / friends; I do my part giving so much to the government.
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Old July 25th, 2006, 05:52 PM   #19
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When gov't assistance is used as a crutch to get back on your feet, it is great, but when you smoke crack and just keep having babies to get more money- that won't work. If you are on gov't assistance there should be a child limit. One member on here has an avatar that states "if you can't feed em', don't breed em'" That is the truth. They should also have to do random drug tests so we can make sure that they are not snorting the gov't help up there noses. And how long should you get help? If you can't find some sort of income in a year- I am sorry YOU ARE NOT TRYING. Maybe it won't be the best job in the world, but they are out there.

I am one of the people with Brewmann. I had no insurance when my daughter was born and they picked up the bills. I am very grateful for that, but my wife and I both have done college and are working and supporting ourselves. If we can do it, so can everyone else.

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Old July 25th, 2006, 06:26 PM   #20
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but I think the goal of any assistance program should be to get people off assistance.

Maybe it should be set up as X number of years on welfare, then you're off. First year you get X ammount, second year, you get 75% of that. Third, 50%. Fourth, nothing.
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