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Old February 15th, 2010, 12:23 PM   #41
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Currently stock Ford 30 splines. I've actually just ordered 35 spline outers and Warn Premiums.

Re the "Detroits pop". This is not occasional. It's to the point where if I'm bumping it to get up on a slippery rock, it may pop 1-3 times.
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Old February 15th, 2010, 12:30 PM   #42
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not a big fan of the 35 spline warn premiums. becky has broke 3.the ring is cheap inside of them. would do the terraflex hubs if i was you.pain in the butt getting the warns warrantied also.
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Whatever you do don't buy D60 Mile Markers =
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new hubs sound like a good idea. I'm going welded & full hydro with lockouts

thanks for the advice on the Teraflex stuff Erin !
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Tractech (TRACTECH) expressly warrants each TRACTECH product or part to be free from defects in materials and workmanship under
NORMAL USE AND SERVICE.
A. Differentials
1. In new vehicles
a. For licensed vehicles, when not used in competition of any type, for the lesser of: 1) the same period
(of time, mileage or hours of use) as the other drive axle parts are warranted by the axle manufacturer in that vehicle or 2)
one year from date of delivery or 100,000 miles of differential use by the first user; or
b. For non-licensed vehicles, for the same period (of time, mileage or hours of use) as the other drive axle parts are warranted by the
axle manufacturer in that vehicle.
2. In used vehicles
a. For licensed vehicles, when not used in competition of any type, for the earlier of 100,000 miles of differential use or one year from
the date of delivery to the first user; or
b. For non-licensed vehicles, for the same period (of time, mileage, or hours of use) remaining, if any, as the other drive axle parts
are warranted by the axle manufacturer in the vehicle.
3. For vehicles used in competition of any type, for 30 days from the date of delivery to the first user.
B. Clutches and Brakes For six (6) months from date of delivery.
There exist specific MANUALS for each TRACTECH differential indicating the appropriate application, operation inspection and
maintenance criteria. IT IS MOST IMPORTANT THAT ANY SELECTOR, PURCHASER, INSTALLER, MAINTAINER OR USER
CAREFULLY READ the relevant MANUAL before any application is selected or any operation or maintenance is attempted.
Also TRACTECH strongly encourages each designer, prospective customer or user to submit an application approval request using
TRACTECH Differential Application form 7003, Clutch Application form 3003, or Brake Application form 8003 as applicable.
NORMAL USE AND SERVICE means that:
A. The product or part will be applied, installed, operated, inspected and maintained in accordance with the TRACTECH Operation
and Maintenance Manual, and Owner's Manuals for the specific product;
B. The maintenance of the product must meet or exceed the level specified by the vehicle or equipment manufacturer for the
TRACTECH product or similar product; and
C. The product will be applied and operated within the boundaries of any written TRACTECH APPLICATION APPROVAL by the
TRACTECH Engineering Department.
THE FOREGOING WARRANTY IS EXCLUSIVE, AND IN LIEU OF ALL OTHER WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED (WHETHER
ORAL OR WRITTEN), INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR ANY
PARTICULAR PURPOSE. No person, including any dealer or representative of TRACTECH, except the President of TRACTECH, is
authorized to make any representation or warranty concerning TRACTECH products on behalf of TRACTECH or to assume for TRACTECH
any obligation not contained in this warranty, including a warranty of fitness for any particular purpose. This warranty gives you specific legal
rights and you may also have other rights which vary from state to state. ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING THE IMPLIED
WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, TO THE EXTENT THE SAME CANNOT BE
DISCLAIMED UNDER APPLICABLE LAW ARE LIMITED IN DURATION TO THE EXPRESS WARRANTIES SET FORTH ABOVE
EXCEPT IN THOSE STATES THAT DO NOT ALLOW TIME LIMITATIONS ON IMPLIED WARRANTIES. THERE IS NO IMPLIED
WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR ANY PURPOSE WHEN THE PRODUCT IS
PUT TO AN INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL OR RENTAL USE.
In no event does any warranty, express or implied, apply to loss, harm or damage to the extent caused by any or all of the following; wear to or
failure of other drive train parts; freight damage; use of components, parts and/or accessories not obtained from or approved by TRACTECH
or which do not meet TRACTECH quality and performance specifications; improper installation, maintenance, repair, misuse, or abuse,
normal wear of moving parts or components affected by moving parts; and/or unauthorized alterations or Modifications.
EXCLUSIONS
TRACTECH SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR SPECIAL DAMAGES (i.e. Broken ring & pinion,
axles, bearings, differential covers, towing & labor charges) OR EXPENSE ARISING DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY FROM A DEFECT IN
PRODUCTS MANUFACTURED OR SOLD BY IT OR FROM THE USE OF ANY SUCH DEFECTIVE PRODUCT, INCLUDING BUT NOT
LIMITED TO DAMAGES, EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT THAT EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL
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OR INSTALL THE SAME UPON ANY PRODUCTS PREVIOUSLY SOLD AND DELIVERED OR PRODUCTS THEN IN PROCESS,
MANUFACTURE OR DISTRIBUTION.
Since Tractech is now Eaton, the warranty is much simpler:

The Detroit Locker unit is covered for one year from date of purchase against defects in materials and workmanship. The unit is not covered if the failure of another part (axle shaft or ring & pinion) damages the unit.
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Check out Randy's for an ARB. Since they came out with their Zip Locker, they're dumping the ARB's. You can get a 35-spline 4.56+ ARB for $788.67 + shipping.
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ARB is too much money. Nice but not worth it IMO. Thanks for the heads up though.
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Send the fords out to be broached to 35 spline. Or switch to flanges for $200 or so. Warn premiums have a terrible reputation.
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Send the fords out to be broached to 35 spline. Or switch to flanges for $200 or so. Warn premiums have a terrible reputation.
Does Warn know that they have this bad reputation? I guess it's new news to me. They're already ordered. If I send them back, what's the better lockout option? The Ford's don't look so good.

I just pulled the passenger side apart as to me, the noise is coming from that side. It's obvious they've been rubbing occasionally. But when I pulled the cap, it was fully engaged. They aren't face gears but rather splines so there's not much separation force on them.

Inner gear.




Outer gear.



Is this worn enough to be a problem?
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Did you pull the diff cover yet and look for chunks/flakes?
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Did you pull the diff cover yet and look for chunks/flakes?
No, I did that last week. This problem did not suddenly occur Sunday. It's been doing it for a couple months. Previously only rarely, but getting more frequent. It was doing it when we were at R&V a couple weeks back. So, I don't think pulling the cover this week will uncover anything new.

The difference now is that people were watching it and could form an opinion. That, and since I just rebuilt my links I'm convinced it's not chattering in the suspension.
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Old February 15th, 2010, 09:00 PM   #53
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Oh, and no I didn't buy from DTS. I bought from Ironman.
toss it through his front window
just kidding pat!

put in the new stubs and hubs and see if it still makes noise.
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toss it through his front window
just kidding pat!

put in the new stubs and hubs and see if it still makes noise.
Currently that's the plan.
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If you remember when we went to that park in Kentucky (when you screwed up your pinion). I sheared 60 shafts and blew up my Detroit. It cost more to rebuild it than a new one was. Tractech was less than helpful! I ended up with a 35 spline spool and was happier. Steering is not an issue because you run hydro. Just my opinion. Good luck
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Inner gear.




Outer gear.



Is this worn enough to be a problem?
No.


x2 on what indy said ... and the bunch of others that posted the same before him.
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Old February 15th, 2010, 10:25 PM   #57
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i ran lockright in both front and rear of my xj with 4.10"s and the front held up great but i have broken the sheer pins in the rear twice. havent seen anyone mention the grizzly locker from yukon. i was thinking of running that anyone run one or herd anything good or bad about it?
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Theres a lot of wear on the face of the outer gear. What I think is happening is when the wheel is turning the u-joint makes the shafts wobble a little bit. That little bit of wobbling could be allowing the outer gear to walk itself out of engagement and eventually it'll skip a tooth or a few. Once it walks itself out it isnt able to get fully engaged again before the power gets applied so you're starting with less engagement than you had before and causing it to jump. You could put a solid aluminum spacer in it to replace the spring and effectively make some drive slugs out of your lockouts but you already have 35 spline stuff on the way so it's a moot point.

I bet the new stubs and hubs solve the issue.
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I hope so. I have one concern with that though. 3 weeks ago at R&V I hit an icy hill. No ruts, no bumps, nothing out of the ordinary other than I hammered it. It popped a half dozen times going up that hill. That would negate the turning scenario.

Yeah, I hear you on the drive slugs but I really want to keep lockouts.

For those saying Warns are junk, any specific scenarios of failures or just the typical rumor mill?
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i already told you what goes wrong with them...damn your getting old.and i also stated the best one for the money is the terraflex.this is not from hear say, this is from seat of the pants watching them break.i have already been through all the lockout issues and tried a bunch of different stuff..yes i am welded in the front so it is a little harder on parts.but this is what i found holds up best for 35 spline stuff.
i also think the warn premiums are the worst lockouts for 35 spline stuff...they are better for the 30 spline,i think because there is more material inside.dynatrac ones are the best, but big money!!the terraflex is the same lockout as dynatrac, just a different name.

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