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Old February 15th, 2010, 06:58 AM   #21
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The guy that owned my blazer before me had the same problem only it was in a 14bolt. It made the same sounds your talking about. He called Detroit and i was 3 days out of warranty, so he ended up welding it. Never had a problem again.
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Old February 15th, 2010, 07:37 AM   #22
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Did you happen to buy this from DTS? When I had an issue with an eaton e-locker, DTS made sure that it was fixed, and then replaced.
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Old February 15th, 2010, 08:53 AM   #23
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You're awfully quick on the trigger to ditch the detroit without really knowing what the issue is. Your case halves could be coming lose and this is just the early signs. Pull it out, disassemble it and find out what the issue is. If the replacements are more than the locker is worth then you can figure out what way to go with the diff.

You'll be taking a step back if you go with anything but an ARB at this point.
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Old February 15th, 2010, 09:00 AM   #24
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Detroits are also known for being noisy- they will release from time to time and then when they re-engage you will hear a pretty loud "bang" and feel it. I freaked out the first time I heard mine do it.
I got sick of it and just ended up going welded on my current axles, but it's a trailer queen with full hydro steering too.
If you are going to street yours, a selectable locker would probably be better for you anyway. I'd agree with GEO on the ARB
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Old February 15th, 2010, 09:07 AM   #25
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I went with a detroit because the arb was something like $1400-1600. Plus I would need a compressor for a few more hundred. Not even close to worth it in my book.

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I'm not saying he should get an ARB, I'm just that anything BUT an ARB is a downgrade of some sort at this point.

The detroits used to pop and bang a lot but they redid some parts in them to give a much smoother engagement and you only get a bang or pop every once in a long while. I think it happened 3 times in the 3-4 years I was wheeling the tracker.


Random story- I wheeled the tracker about as hard as it could be wheeled and put it in just about any situation out there. Never had an issue with the front gears, just the shafts. I sold it in perfect working condition and on the second trip out with the new owner the front gear set ate itself. The ring gear bolts loosened up all on their own in a few hours after being perfectly functioning for the previous 4 years.

It's $8-900 for an ARB and then another $150-200 for the compressor or you can use a co2 tank like the competitors.
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I seem to remember some type of "lifetime warranty" to the origional purchaser from Detroit as well, but that was several years ago. They may not even offer that anymore.

I think it would worth your time to give Detroit a quick call and get their take on the situation (fist pump lol)- they may have a set-up tip for you, an explanation of what's going on in there, or even offer to warranty it for you. If you were happy with it's performance until recently, I'd explore keeping it and solving the issue.

ARB is stupid expensive, but very nice. If you have the cabbage, go for it!
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Old February 15th, 2010, 09:41 AM   #28
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when I checked while building mine the arb was real expensive, maybe not as much as I said in my other post but it was at least 1200 for the ford 60. Anyways, I'm sure jim will call whoever to get the lowdown, he just figured it out last night so give him a few minutes.
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Old February 15th, 2010, 10:05 AM   #29
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I broke my detroit one year and one month after i bought it. Called eaton, they would not stand behind it. "One year warranity". Bought a full spool, went full hydro. and love it.. btw i broke teeth off both clutch assemblies and one tooth off the spider assembly. It would cost more to replace those 3 parts than to bye a new detroit. "Bull Shit" My 2 cents.
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Tractech (TRACTECH) expressly warrants each TRACTECH product or part to be free from defects in materials and workmanship under
NORMAL USE AND SERVICE.
A. Differentials
1. In new vehicles
a. For licensed vehicles, when not used in competition of any type, for the lesser of: 1) the same period
(of time, mileage or hours of use) as the other drive axle parts are warranted by the axle manufacturer in that vehicle or 2)
one year from date of delivery or 100,000 miles of differential use by the first user; or
b. For non-licensed vehicles, for the same period (of time, mileage or hours of use) as the other drive axle parts are warranted by the
axle manufacturer in that vehicle.
2. In used vehicles
a. For licensed vehicles, when not used in competition of any type, for the earlier of 100,000 miles of differential use or one year from
the date of delivery to the first user; or
b. For non-licensed vehicles, for the same period (of time, mileage, or hours of use) remaining, if any, as the other drive axle parts
are warranted by the axle manufacturer in the vehicle.
3. For vehicles used in competition of any type, for 30 days from the date of delivery to the first user.
B. Clutches and Brakes For six (6) months from date of delivery.
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Also TRACTECH strongly encourages each designer, prospective customer or user to submit an application approval request using
TRACTECH Differential Application form 7003, Clutch Application form 3003, or Brake Application form 8003 as applicable.
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Old February 15th, 2010, 10:36 AM   #31
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http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/Produc...cker/index.htm

Right side of the page- "service parts list"

or: http://www.eaton.com/ecm/idcplg?IdcS...Name=CT_128481
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Old February 15th, 2010, 10:51 AM   #32
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Back when they where owned by Tractech, I heard that they were more people friendly. But Eaton seems to be, well large company mentality
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Old February 15th, 2010, 10:53 AM   #33
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ARB $869

Replacement Detroit $565

EZ Locker $359

Full spool $180

These are my prices on these items.

For prices on the replacement parts I will need to know whats broke or on it's way out.

I can set you up to run the ARB from your Co2 system.
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Old February 15th, 2010, 11:15 AM   #34
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If the Detroit is not salvageable, weld the locker solid and run it until you figure out a solution. I run welded diffs with full hydro, it just takes a little more thinking in technical situations. If I were to replace the diff it would be an ARB, the price difference between the Detroit and ARB is tolerable.
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Old February 15th, 2010, 12:07 PM   #35
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are you running hubs or slugs right now?
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are you running hubs or slugs right now?
Great point!!!!

Did the bystanders verify the axle shafts were or were not turning when it was popping? I'd almost put money on the fact that the detroit is fine and the hubs you have are the issue. They are spring engaged and it doesnt take much for them to walk out or to not get fully engaged.

Pull the hubs off and see if the teeth are still ramped up and if there is an angle to the engagement splines that unlock and lock the mechanism up. Chances are they just arent engaging fully and you've broached them slightly so you're riding on ramps.

Prove me wrong.
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^^^^ what he said.....




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Old February 15th, 2010, 01:04 PM   #38
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Great point!!!!

Did the bystanders verify the axle shafts were or were not turning when it was popping? I'd almost put money on the fact that the detroit is fine and the hubs you have are the issue. They are spring engaged and it doesnt take much for them to walk out or to not get fully engaged.

Pull the hubs off and see if the teeth are still ramped up and if there is an angle to the engagement splines that unlock and lock the mechanism up. Chances are they just arent engaging fully and you've broached them slightly so you're riding on ramps.

Prove me wrong.
Actually that's something that I've been thinking it might be but lots of people (yeah, I know) say a hub either works or it doesn't. To me, the sound seems to come from the right front. That particular hub is bound up right now & I can't get it to release, even with a Hubber. So, that may be the issue.

I don't know that I'm jumping the gun by ditching the Detroit as much as venting and looking for options if it is. The problem is that I can only recreate the sound when under extreme loads. In those conditions, I'm kinda trying to stay right side up.

RE a warranty on the Detroit, I don't know their policy and haven't looked into it yet. But I doubt they would stand behind it. It's been in service for about 22 months. For me to say that it hasn't been run hard and then have them look at my vehicle, I think they'd laugh and tell me to pound sand.

Oh, and no I didn't buy from DTS. I bought from Ironman.

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Old February 15th, 2010, 01:09 PM   #39
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yep x3 on the hubs.
i am welded front and rear with drive flanges. takes some getting use to..will most likely put a arb in the front this year with pat and ultimate airs co2 setup.is the best way to go for a arb in my opinion..hate the compressor setup with all the wires. the co2 is basic and works.
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do you have warn premiums? the steel ring on the outer will slip off the groove and let it pop in and out.
becky has had 2 of these go bad.
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