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Old February 15th, 2010, 09:20 PM   #41
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This is my take on global warming/climate change.
First, I think this if one issue in particular where the moderates need to take back the discussion from the extremists. On one side we have the Al Gore types, running around like chicken little, screaming that the sky is falling. On the other side we have the global warming deniers, unwilling to accept the possibility that taking millions of tons of carbon, oxidizing it into CO2, and releasing it into the atmosphere might cause some changes to the environment. Add to these the “young earth Christians” (see footnote if this is you), who think the world was created in the current state. And then top it off with the media, who are in business make money, and know they can get more readers/viewers with headlines like “GLOBAL WARMINGS COMING. OMG WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE!” than they can with “WE CAN KEEPING DOING WHAT WE’RE DOING FOREVER AND NOTHING BAD WILL HAPPEN”. With all these people making noise it’s no wonder that no real discussion can take place. We need all of them to shut up for a while so that those of us who can think reasonable and rationally, and who can take an unbiased look at the facts and data, can work out the best plan going forward from here.

So lets look at the facts:
The earth’s climate has been changing since it came into existence, and will continue to do so until it ceases to exist.
During the past century we have removed many millions (billions? trillions? more?) tons of hydrocarbons from the ground, oxidized them, and released the resulting CO2 into the atmosphere. Don't hydro carbons come from organic things like trees and plants??? Don't trees and plants make oxygen from co2???

There are, and always have been, and always will be, natural sources of CO2.
Would that be like animals exhaling, or a volcano?

During the past century the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased.
Hasn't the population increased by about 400% in the last century as opposed to 81% from 1700 to 1800 and 59% from 1800 to 1900, wonder if this has anything to do with it???

During the past century there has been a reduction in the size of glaciers in many parts of the world.

Didn't michigan have glaciers, are they smaller now to, must be because I can't even see them.

During the past century there has been an increase in average temperature in many places in the world.

What about the century before, how about since the 1500s? Hey don't some people refer to the 1500s as the mini ice age Hmmm wonder who caused that warm up???


I’m sure I’m leaving out many facts, feel free to add to this list.
My opinions and conclusions based on these facts:
While it has not been proven that there is a direct cause and effect link between the release of CO2 from human activity and global climate changes, I think that there is enough evidence to suggest that this is a possibility. Because of this I think it would be wise to do what we can to limit the release of CO2.
Got any good ideas or are you just going to say Hope, Change we can believe in?

While no one knows for sure what the long term effect of these changes are, given the scale of the global climate I think it is reasonable to assume that these changes may be slow in coming, long lasting, and difficult to reverse. Because of this I think it would be wise to take actions now Lets put together a health government insurance plan that should work rather than waiting until the effects on global climate are proven. You don't think thats like chicken little? How do you feel about Bush invading Iraq without proof, that work out didn't it, of coarse completly changing the entire earths climate should pali in comparison to invading a country the size of California, especially with no proof that the affect is in our control.

Having been to a 3rd world country I realize that it is our affluence that affords us the ability to care about the environment. You have to do what you have to do to survive today before you can worry about tomorrow. If we destroy our economy to try to save the environment in the long run we will destroy both.
Yeah I'm sure that if we, America, jump on the change the climate band wagon that everybody else will spend as much and put forth an equal effort to do the same, especially since there is no proof.

I'm sorry but your position is about as moderate as AGB
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Old February 16th, 2010, 09:19 AM   #42
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Brewmann do some research on CO2 migration in ice. "Earth temperature" evidence based on CO2 is a lie.
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Brewmann do some research on CO2 migration in ice. "Earth temperature" evidence based on CO2 is a lie.
Stop it, you can't go around saying the information used to cause mass hysteria is a lie......

Wheres the HOPE, wheres The change we can believe in, if not in bullshit information.

Obama Sucks Ass

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People That Believe In The Above Suck Ass
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Yeah, I had a Chat with Satan last night too oddly enough. He was telling me how he's gotten so good at tricking people into believing false ideas. He said he has a couple main ways of Suckering people. One is Doubt....That's pretty self Explainatory. I mean, Just inject a Little doubt into someones mind who doesn't have a Strong Faith in God and they just take it and usually run with it the wrong way. He chuckled, I wasn't too surprised.

His second was his more tricky Way of doing things. You see, He explained very simply to me, He called it the Truth Sandwich. He'll feed you this line of Truth, Then a twisted pretty close to truth statement, but not quite truth; Then another line of truth. This can get even the most devote Christians as it is very sneaky, Although, he is the father of Lies so.....He's good at what he does.

The most interesting part of our conversation is that he said his job really isn't that hard. I mean, He had to work at first to make us sinful creatures in the beginning, but after he did that, It's really just appealing to our own selfish Desires that he has to do.

He actually wanted to let me know that the US Citizens are probably the Easiest to confuse and manipulate. He's got so many traps and pit falls set up for unsuspecting people in this country that we're pretty much going to crash and eventually pull the whole world down with us. He was smiling this whole time and I asked him why? He said "well, Your country was originally a big worry for us down in the pit, A country that was starting on Christian backing, Freedom for all, Something I, personally, Don't enjoy. I love to enslave people. Freedom is not my favorite" He took another breath, Then "Like I said, we were worried intill we started to see that the methods used before (selfish desires, Manipulation of truth, ETC..) would still work." He found great joy in the fact that a country that could have been a Beacon for God's Holiness became such a Beacon for Greed. Once agian, He chuckled.

I then asked him about what he thinks the future holds, He lost his smile, Stopped being So Cocky and just Glared at me. Then I asked him what it was like to fight an uphill battle just to know in the end he's gonna loose. Still, Just a Glare. We Kind of stopped talking then, He wasn't very happy with those questions.





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Stop it, you can't go around saying the information used to cause mass hysteria is a lie......

Wheres the HOPE, wheres The change we can believe in, if not in bullshit information.

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So you're saying that people that believe the left sucks ass, sucks ass?
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I'm sorry but your position is about as moderate as AGB
So wait a minute wait aminute wait a minute... Did you just insert that Bush might have acutally made a.... Gasp! MISTAKE?!?!?! NFW. I thought you were mesmerized by the intellectual and charismatic prowess that IS GWB....? I thought he could do no wrong in your book...?
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So wait a minute wait aminute wait a minute... Did you just insert that Bush might have acutally made a.... Gasp! MISTAKE?!?!?! NFW. I thought you were mesmerized by the intellectual and charismatic prowess that IS GWB....? I thought he could do no wrong in your book...?
We all know that Bush made mistakes only Obama has made more in his short life as president but the media will not comment on it as with Bush and in general the media will play their wrongs or mistakes over and over and over and over and over.... you get the idea.
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But since he is the father of lies, he lied to you. Sorry. You should stop believing him.
Yeah, and all the things Nuggets said "God Said to him" Really didn't fit his personality either. Maybe it was Mess with the mortal's Day or something but As funny as that may be to think; What I illustrated in retort to his post was not a lie. When you (people, not you specifically) can attempt to understand how your enemy attacks it's alot easier to fight his Advances.
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So wait a minute wait aminute wait a minute... Did you just insert that Bush might have acutally made a.... Gasp! MISTAKE?!?!?! NFW. I thought you were mesmerized by the intellectual and charismatic prowess that IS GWB....? I thought he could do no wrong in your book...?
GOD DAMMIT!!!! Everyone else on this fucking site can talk about politcs without bringing up Bush, but no, not even on a fucking global warming thread, can you resist bringing up Bush.

AT LEAST BUSH DIDNT fukc OVER MY GENERATION
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But there have been hints that it was coming. The 2009 U.S. Climate Impacts Report found that large-scale cold-weather storm systems have gradually tracked to the north in the U.S. over the past 50 years. While the frequency of storms in the middle latitudes has decreased as the climate has warmed, the intensity of those storms has increased. That's in part because of global warming - hotter air can hold more moisture, so when a storm gathers it can unleash massive amounts of snow. Colder air, by contrast, is drier; if we were in a truly vicious cold snap, like the one that occurred over much of the East Coast during parts of January, we would be unlikely to see heavy snowfall.

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Er, when did the laws of physics change?
Cold air is denser and holds moisture
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Er, when did the laws of physics change?
Cold air is denser and holds moisture
Global warming scientists can change the rules as they go as they are not bound by the laws of phyisics
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So wait a minute wait aminute wait a minute... Did you just insert that Bush might have acutally made a.... Gasp! MISTAKE?!?!?! NFW. I thought you were mesmerized by the intellectual and charismatic prowess that IS GWB....? I thought he could do no wrong in your book...?
You forgot Im not a republican.
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So you're saying that people that believe the left sucks ass, sucks ass?
Sorry that wasn't clear enough.

If you believe in

Obama
and or
Al Gore
and or
The Left
Then YOU Suck Ass

Better?
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GOD DAMMIT!!!! Everyone else on this fucking site can talk about politcs without bringing up Bush, but no, not even on a fucking global warming thread, can you resist bringing up Bush.

AT LEAST BUSH DIDNT fukc OVER MY GENERATION
Easy killer, it's my intent to blame everything that ever happens that is negative for the rest of my life on Obama, I might even include some things that happen before he was born.
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Easy killer, it's my intent to blame everything that ever happens that is negative for the rest of my life on Obama, I might even include some things that happen before he was born.
According to the way they gave him the Peace prize you can also blame him for things he hasn't already done as well......World war 3, The Apocalypse....Go ahead, it'll make you feel better.
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According to the way they gave him the Peace prize you can also blame him for things he hasn't already done as well......World war 3, The Apocalypse....Go ahead, it'll make you feel better.
I'm on it....
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Easy killer, it's my intent to blame everything that ever happens that is negative for the rest of my life on Obama, I might even include some things that happen before he was born.
Which I understand. But he brings everything back to Bush. Nothing is Obama's fault. Always Bush.
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Obama is funny when he blames the previous admin for his own mistakes.

i laugh everytime.

Obama "Er, ah, we um had to do this because the previous administration did um this that way blah"
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Which I understand. But he brings everything back to Bush. Nothing is Obama's fault. Always Bush.
The world according to Toes


It's Obamas fault, OBAMA SUCKS ASS
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