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Old February 12th, 2010, 02:15 PM   #21
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im burning all my old tires.
Heeeeyyyyy......I have a shit ton of old tires at my shop, and I'm still cold. I even have some Avons, would that mean I'm burning tyres?
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Heeeeyyyyy......I have a shit ton of old tires at my shop, and I'm still cold. I even have some Avons, would that mean I'm burning tyres?

fuck it and burn it all
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Here's the thing: most of the time, weather forecasters can't predict with better than coin-toss accuracy what will happen next week. In fact, more often than not, their accuracy is less than 50%. So, if we lack the capability to figure out what the weather will be in the next couple weeks, how can we reasonably expect to predict with any real accuracy what the weather will be like years from now? The climate of the Earth is far too complex for us to understand at this time. We don't even know how to predict the El Nino effect. Now I realize it can be scary and unsettling to admit "we have no damn idea of what will happen" but sometimes you just need to. Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying the possibility that increased CO2 could have this effect. I'm just saying that anyone who will tell you that they know what's going to happen with "CLIMATE CHAAAANGE!!" is probably lying. Or just mistaken. Also, notice how it's no longer "Glooobaaal Waaarming." The "scientists" that were getting the Big Buck$ grants and whatnot for studying global warming realized that if it didn't warm up pretty quick, they'd stop getting money. So...climate change. That way no matter WHAT the hell happens, they can say those four little words: I Told You So. And then get more money.
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Climate change/global warming might be real, theres just no proof. And the problem is the money is already being spent
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Here's the thing: most of the time, weather forecasters can't predict with better than coin-toss accuracy what will happen next week. In fact, more often than not, their accuracy is less than 50%. So, if we lack the capability to figure out what the weather will be in the next couple weeks, how can we reasonably expect to predict with any real accuracy what the weather will be like years from now? The climate of the Earth is far too complex for us to understand at this time. We don't even know how to predict the El Nino effect. Now I realize it can be scary and unsettling to admit "we have no damn idea of what will happen" but sometimes you just need to. Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying the possibility that increased CO2 could have this effect. I'm just saying that anyone who will tell you that they know what's going to happen with "CLIMATE CHAAAANGE!!" is probably lying. Or just mistaken. Also, notice how it's no longer "Glooobaaal Waaarming." The "scientists" that were getting the Big Buck$ grants and whatnot for studying global warming realized that if it didn't warm up pretty quick, they'd stop getting money. So...climate change. That way no matter WHAT the hell happens, they can say those four little words: I Told You So. And then get more money.

Actually, I'd like to see the actually Statistics on Weather news casting. They may not get spot on most of the time but can ball park it pretty close. I would think More then 50%. We Understand how the weather on this planet works. Just because they can't pinpoint exactly what will happen doesn't discount the knowledge that is there. Our Planet if full of things that "should happen this way" and I think Weather can be that as well.

On that note, I'm not arguing for Global Warming. Global Warming and Climate change are two different things. Climate Change happens. Period. If it didn't, we'd still be in an Ice age....or an extremely hot planet. Global Warming is the thought process that says that the planet is getting hotter due to our influence on the planet through pollution and that alone. I think we have a part in the "warming effect" of our planet, but we're not the Sole reason it's heating up. That's just my opinion though.

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poor example with no basis in fact...sorry




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland


The island was named Greenland just to get more people to settle there.
And your proof is from a history book telling you that?
I'm sure Greenland had seasons as the rest of the planet. With greenland being a little father north their winters were longer than thier summers.
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And your proof is from a history book telling you that?
I'm sure Greenland had seasons as the rest of the planet. With greenland being a little father north their winters were longer than thier summers.
The proof is in THOUSANDS of documented and repeatable examples. You just can't see the forest because the trees get in your way.
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The question is, can we even produce enough Co2 with the amount of fossil fuel available on earth, to cause a permanent change to the climate or temperature? Supposedly we are going to run out of fossil fuel, I haven't heard a figure lately as to when. Once we do run out will we then have the capacity to produce more Co2 then our trees can turn back into oxygen? If not then what is there to worry about? Once we all start riding bikes and horses because we used up all the stuff that made our lives easier, everything will return to normal.
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I was kind of hoping you'd do your own looking there, but it's a reasonable request. I'm not associated with any of these sites in any way and had nothing to do with the information/opinions they contain.
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.co...her-forecasts/
http://www.omninerd.com/articles/Int...ecast_Accuracy
http://www.forecastadvisor.com/blog/
http://www.forecastadvisor.com/docs/resources/
I would also like to give an example from my own experience: last winter every forecaster but one grossly underestimated the amount of snow we would get. By 30+ inches. I know that may not seem like much, but I'm just trying to illustrate the point that frequently any forecast of more than a week is most likely bull. And they can "ballpark it" just by using the average temperature studies for the last 40 years.
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I was kind of hoping you'd do your own looking there, but it's a reasonable request. I'm not associated with any of these sites in any way and had nothing to do with the information/opinions they contain.
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.co...her-forecasts/
http://www.omninerd.com/articles/Int...ecast_Accuracy
http://www.forecastadvisor.com/blog/
http://www.forecastadvisor.com/docs/resources/
I would also like to give an example from my own experience: last winter every forecaster but one grossly underestimated the amount of snow we would get. By 30+ inches. I know that may not seem like much, but I'm just trying to illustrate the point that frequently any forecast of more than a week is most likely bull. And they can "ballpark it" just by using the average temperature studies for the last 40 years.
with this climate change going on they might not want to go back that far.
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It's called friggin winter! If anything the last couple of years have been unusually mild. It was 39* and raining last week here in Baghdad... OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! ARMAGEDDON!
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It's called friggin winter! If anything the last couple of years have been unusually mild. It was 39* and raining last week here in Baghdad... OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! ARMAGEDDON!
stop yelling, your gonna make it worse! global warming
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The proof is in THOUSANDS of documented and repeatable examples. You just can't see the forest because the trees get in your way.
And I could say the same for the bible about Christ. Thousands of documented and repeatable examples and not all are from Christians. Even roman historians wrote about a man called Jesus and of his accounts. Forest and trees.
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Personally, i think global warming is a crock of shit. Its just another ploy by the rich and powerful to keep us(the lazy, predictable, idiotic public) under their control. Also to make more money, as the products that are "green" can be traced to a benefactor of sorts, that has a face in the so called global warming scheme. Look at 95% of global green companies, most of which are either in partnership with gore, or other global warming leaders who reap the profits and benifits of our stupidity and gullible nature. There is no proof that this stuff is actually having a MAJOR impact on our environment as we know it, but because they ARE the government, we have no say as to what we hear or what is regulated such as emissions and resources. So to global warming, i say go fukc a duck, cuz i dont believe not a damn word about it.
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And I could say the same for the bible about Christ. Thousands of documented and repeatable examples and not all are from Christians. Even roman historians wrote about a man called Jesus and of his accounts. Forest and trees.


I spoke with Jesus, he thinks you are retarded. You can't prove me wrong.

I had a nice long chat with God too. He told me that the Bible is nothing like he had intended it. He wanted people to learn from alegorical stories but instead he found that men twisted his stories to their own benefit. He also said he wishes he had shown man the printing press much earlier. He told me that without the printing press, 99% of Christians had zero access to his book. Because of this, he told me, the people that kept track of his word would screw up or forget things over time. He was also not very happy that his word was changed because people were passing his stories on by word of mouth.

I asked God about the whole evolution thing. He told me he's responsible for everything. He said the whole Adam and Eve story is a load of crap made up by people that didn't understand how everthing got started. God told me that he doesn't want to control every little aspect of every living creature so he developed mechanisms to assist with animals survival.

I asked about the Big Bang. He said that's his work too. He also told me that if the Westborough asshats don't stop screwing around, he'd turn everything into a black hole.

I asked God about all the suffering on earth. He said that sometimes he likes to be a dick.

This is all true. God and Jesus told me. Sure, it looks like a bunch of smartass comments from me, but God was in control of my fingers at the keyboard.
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I spoke with Jesus, he thinks you are retarded. You can't prove me wrong.

I had a nice long chat with God too. He told me that the Bible is nothing like he had intended it. He wanted people to learn from alegorical stories but instead he found that men twisted his stories to their own benefit. He also said he wishes he had shown man the printing press much earlier. He told me that without the printing press, 99% of Christians had zero access to his book. Because of this, he told me, the people that kept track of his word would screw up or forget things over time. He was also not very happy that his word was changed because people were passing his stories on by word of mouth.

I asked God about the whole evolution thing. He told me he's responsible for everything. He said the whole Adam and Eve story is a load of crap made up by people that didn't understand how everthing got started. God told me that he doesn't want to control every little aspect of every living creature so he developed mechanisms to assist with animals survival.

I asked about the Big Bang. He said that's his work too. He also told me that if the Westborough asshats don't stop screwing around, he'd turn everything into a black hole.

I asked God about all the suffering on earth. He said that sometimes he likes to be a dick.

This is all true. God and Jesus told me. Sure, it looks like a bunch of smartass comments from me, but God was in control of my fingers at the keyboard.
seems like i remember you talking about faith in thread awhile back, something like there's nothing wrong with believing in a god. if aber61 has faith in Christ and is doing as he believes he should, and you agree with faith, why do you mock him?
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I spoke with Jesus, he thinks you are retarded. You can't prove me wrong.

I had a nice long chat with God too. He told me that the Bible is nothing like he had intended it. He wanted people to learn from alegorical stories but instead he found that men twisted his stories to their own benefit. He also said he wishes he had shown man the printing press much earlier. He told me that without the printing press, 99% of Christians had zero access to his book. Because of this, he told me, the people that kept track of his word would screw up or forget things over time. He was also not very happy that his word was changed because people were passing his stories on by word of mouth.

I asked God about the whole evolution thing. He told me he's responsible for everything. He said the whole Adam and Eve story is a load of crap made up by people that didn't understand how everthing got started. God told me that he doesn't want to control every little aspect of every living creature so he developed mechanisms to assist with animals survival.

I asked about the Big Bang. He said that's his work too. He also told me that if the Westborough asshats don't stop screwing around, he'd turn everything into a black hole.

I asked God about all the suffering on earth. He said that sometimes he likes to be a dick.

This is all true. God and Jesus told me. Sure, it looks like a bunch of smartass comments from me, but God was in control of my fingers at the keyboard.
Yeah, I had a Chat with Satan last night too oddly enough. He was telling me how he's gotten so good at tricking people into believing false ideas. He said he has a couple main ways of Suckering people. One is Doubt....That's pretty self Explainatory. I mean, Just inject a Little doubt into someones mind who doesn't have a Strong Faith in God and they just take it and usually run with it the wrong way. He chuckled, I wasn't too surprised.

His second was his more tricky Way of doing things. You see, He explained very simply to me, He called it the Truth Sandwich. He'll feed you this line of Truth, Then a twisted pretty close to truth statement, but not quite truth; Then another line of truth. This can get even the most devote Christians as it is very sneaky, Although, he is the father of Lies so.....He's good at what he does.

The most interesting part of our conversation is that he said his job really isn't that hard. I mean, He had to work at first to make us sinful creatures in the beginning, but after he did that, It's really just appealing to our own selfish Desires that he has to do.

He actually wanted to let me know that the US Citizens are probably the Easiest to confuse and manipulate. He's got so many traps and pit falls set up for unsuspecting people in this country that we're pretty much going to crash and eventually pull the whole world down with us. He was smiling this whole time and I asked him why? He said "well, Your country was originally a big worry for us down in the pit, A country that was starting on Christian backing, Freedom for all, Something I, personally, Don't enjoy. I love to enslave people. Freedom is not my favorite" He took another breath, Then "Like I said, we were worried intill we started to see that the methods used before (selfish desires, Manipulation of truth, ETC..) would still work." He found great joy in the fact that a country that could have been a Beacon for God's Holiness became such a Beacon for Greed. Once agian, He chuckled.

I then asked him about what he thinks the future holds, He lost his smile, Stopped being So Cocky and just Glared at me. Then I asked him what it was like to fight an uphill battle just to know in the end he's gonna loose. Still, Just a Glare. We Kind of stopped talking then, He wasn't very happy with those questions.


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seems like i remember you talking about faith in thread awhile back, something like there's nothing wrong with believing in a god. if aber61 has faith in Christ and is doing as he believes he should, and you agree with faith, why do you mock him?

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This is my take on global warming/climate change.
First, I think this if one issue in particular where the moderates need to take back the discussion from the extremists. On one side we have the Al Gore types, running around like chicken little, screaming that the sky is falling. On the other side we have the global warming deniers, unwilling to accept the possibility that taking millions of tons of carbon, oxidizing it into CO2, and releasing it into the atmosphere might cause some changes to the environment. Add to these the “young earth Christians” (see footnote if this is you), who think the world was created in the current state. And then top it off with the media, who are in business make money, and know they can get more readers/viewers with headlines like “GLOBAL WARMINGS COMING. OMG WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE!” than they can with “WE CAN KEEPING DOING WHAT WE’RE DOING FOREVER AND NOTHING BAD WILL HAPPEN”. With all these people making noise it’s no wonder that no real discussion can take place. We need all of them to shut up for a while so that those of us who can think reasonable and rationally, and who can take an unbiased look at the facts and data, can work out the best plan going forward from here.

So lets look at the facts:
The earth’s climate has been changing since it came into existence, and will continue to do so until it ceases to exist.
During the past century we have removed many millions (billions? trillions? more?) tons of hydrocarbons from the ground, oxidized them, and released the resulting CO2 into the atmosphere.
There are, and always have been, and always will be, natural sources of CO2.
During the past century the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased.
During the past century there has been a reduction in the size of glaciers in many parts of the world.
During the past century there has been an increase in average temperature in many places in the world.

I’m sure I’m leaving out many facts, feel free to add to this list.
My opinions and conclusions based on these facts:
While it has not been proven that there is a direct cause and effect link between the release of CO2 from human activity and global climate changes, I think that there is enough evidence to suggest that this is a possibility. Because of this I think it would be wise to do what we can to limit the release of CO2.

While no one knows for sure what the long term effect of these changes are, given the scale of the global climate I think it is reasonable to assume that these changes may be slow in coming, long lasting, and difficult to reverse. Because of this I think it would be wise to take actions now rather than waiting until the effects on global climate are proven.

Having been to a 3rd world country I realize that it is our affluence that affords us the ability to care about the environment. You have to do what you have to do to survive today before you can worry about tomorrow. If we destroy our economy to try to save the environment in the long run we will destroy both.

Bruce... You are extremely moderate...I am glad to see that there are a few left here.
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I spoke with Jesus, he thinks you are retarded. You can't prove me wrong.

I had a nice long chat with God too. He told me that the Bible is nothing like he had intended it. He wanted people to learn from alegorical stories but instead he found that men twisted his stories to their own benefit. He also said he wishes he had shown man the printing press much earlier. He told me that without the printing press, 99% of Christians had zero access to his book. Because of this, he told me, the people that kept track of his word would screw up or forget things over time. He was also not very happy that his word was changed because people were passing his stories on by word of mouth.

I asked God about the whole evolution thing. He told me he's responsible for everything. He said the whole Adam and Eve story is a load of crap made up by people that didn't understand how everthing got started. God told me that he doesn't want to control every little aspect of every living creature so he developed mechanisms to assist with animals survival.

I asked about the Big Bang. He said that's his work too. He also told me that if the Westborough asshats don't stop screwing around, he'd turn everything into a black hole.

I asked God about all the suffering on earth. He said that sometimes he likes to be a dick.

This is all true. God and Jesus told me. Sure, it looks like a bunch of smartass comments from me, but God was in control of my fingers at the keyboard.
After reading what you had typed and then reading what L4CX had commented I was at a lose for words. L4 had put it about right. You my friend are believing a lie and you are convinced you are right, which is the sad truth of it all.
Just when I think how dark this place is(after reading your dribble) I see a becon of light and L4CX seems to shine brighter than ever.
Thanks Scott for your enlightened view of how Satan has his way with the lost of this world.
Also Nuggets you have a twisted outlook of how things are, you need to get back to reality. Your comments aren't even funny.
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