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Old March 2nd, 2010, 08:29 AM   #141
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But you've been doing the very same this entire argument. Jesus spoke at great length about loving the sinner and not passing judgment and being open-minded, yet you're perfectly willing to write off (read: judge) an entire religion by the actions of a few that don't even represent it.
For starters I do not consider this an argument. It is a debate.
You are correct that Jesus spoke at great length about love the sinner and not the sin. Nothing about being open-minded. About not judging other, yes lest we not be judged. Explaining to you that Islam is a false religious is not judging. It is a fact.
I have had the opprotunity to have a man come to our church that one time grew up in the mid east among muslims and saw first had who these people represent. His name is Dr Ilias Malki. He saw family members being beheaded because they would not renounce Christ and accept Islam.
Have you heard of how we must have no other God's before Him. Or is this one of the lines in the bible you leave out?
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 10:10 AM   #142
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For starters I do not consider this an argument. It is a debate.
You are correct that Jesus spoke at great length about love the sinner and not the sin. Nothing about being open-minded. About not judging other, yes lest we not be judged. Explaining to you that Islam is a false religious is not judging. It is a fact.
I have had the opprotunity to have a man come to our church that one time grew up in the mid east among muslims and saw first had who these people represent. His name is Dr Ilias Malki. He saw family members being beheaded because they would not renounce Christ and accept Islam.
Have you heard of how we must have no other God's before Him. Or is this one of the lines in the bible you leave out?
"Explaining" to me about the falseness of Islam is judging. You've never spoken to God in person, so he's never told you that Islam is false, so how do you know all of this? It's simple; you don't. You are basing this statement on beliefs gained from a text written by men. That is judgment. You believe that your religion is correct and Islam is false, and that's fine that you believe that, just don't take faith for fact.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 10:47 AM   #143
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If it's any consolation, when I see or hear "Baptists", I think nothing of Christians.

Baptists are, um, out there.
Thanks for sharing your insight. There is a broad spectrum of rituals and adherence to doctrine in all religions. However, social acceptance of one set of beliefs over another changes as civilations change cultural standards. Just because the current US civilization has moved away from the doctrine of the bible (read, churches who are less evangelical and more "feel good"), and because many Baptist congregations reject those standards does not make them any less valid in the eyes of God.

And yes, I have moved toward more baptist-like churches in recent years following concerns with the swaying of other denominations just to remain popular.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 11:03 AM   #144
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 11:41 AM   #145
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 11:50 AM   #146
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http://jdallen.org/news/christian-te...mbing-in-iowa/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shanny..._b_209521.html

Here is a couple it took 5 seconds to find . so what do you call a christian that blows up or shoots up and abortion clinic?

I call them terrorists .
Both of those articles are people saying we should call those acts, acts of christian terrorism.
What I find misleading is neither article presents any evidence that the acts where attempted as a christian retaliation to anything, unlike someone stating I'm doing this as an Islamic Jihad, or like the Fort hood shooter yell acmed alla or whatever it was. That in my opinion is a big difference, also you don't have any evidence to support christian terrorist camps, or at least people that claim to be Christian's running such camps.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 05:12 PM   #147
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Both of those articles are people saying we should call those acts, acts of christian terrorism.
What I find misleading is neither article presents any evidence that the acts where attempted as a christian retaliation to anything, unlike someone stating I'm doing this as an Islamic Jihad, or like the Fort hood shooter yell acmed alla or whatever it was. That in my opinion is a big difference, also you don't have any evidence to support christian terrorist camps, or at least people that claim to be Christian's running such camps.
Sorry but You don't need a camp to be a terrorist .Some christian who blow's up someone is just as much a terrorist as some muslim or what ever they are blowing something up or killing people. You just don't want to say they are.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 05:54 PM   #148
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Sorry but You don't need a camp to be a terrorist .Some christian who blow's up someone is just as much a terrorist as some muslim or what ever they are blowing something up or killing people. You just don't want to say they are.
How many Christians are in the news about wearing a suicide belt?
How many Christians are in the news planting road side bombs?
How many Christians are in the news walking into a busy market place and killing innocent people?
How many Christians are lobbing missles into a different country?
How many Christians are aquiring and building nuclear bombs? or code word (nuclear plants)
I can assure you that the Christians are not your enemy.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 06:02 PM   #149
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"Explaining" to me about the falseness of Islam is judging. You've never spoken to God in person, so he's never told you that Islam is false, so how do you know all of this? It's simple; you don't. You are basing this statement on beliefs gained from a text written by men. That is judgment. You believe that your religion is correct and Islam is false, and that's fine that you believe that, just don't take faith for fact.
And you are telling me this because you only pick and choose what sounds good to you or what fits your life style.
Your knowlegde is baseless acording to the bible.
My suggestion to you is go back and relearn everything you think you know of the bible, but this time around ask God to guide you through His word. Ask God to remove the blinders from your eyes and to give you ears to hear what He will tell you.
Also ask Him to impart His wisdom upon you. You need it
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 06:18 PM   #150
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How many Christians are in the news about wearing a suicide belt?
No they won't blow them self up for fear of going to hell so they do it from a distance

How many Christians are in the news planting road side bombs? They don't bomb roads only clinic's


How many Christians are in the news walking into a busy market place and killing innocent people? Same as above They don't bomb malls just doctors and send in army's to do it for them


How many Christians are lobbing missles into a different country? Iran is not a religion it's a country



How many Christians are aquiring and building nuclear bombs? or code word (nuclear plants)Same Iran is not a religion

I can assure you that the Christians are not your enemy.
They are not My enemy but it hasn't been that long since they have done bad thing's all over the world

You can't take back hundred's of years of wrong by your church because You don't want to see it. Back in the day when christianity split they even killed each other.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 09:23 PM   #151
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They are not My enemy but it hasn't been that long since they have done bad thing's all over the world

You can't take back hundred's of years of wrong by your church because You don't want to see it. Back in the day when christianity split they even killed each other.
So you have no problem with abortion?
You think terrorism is fine?
And you are holding a grudge to what the early Christians did hundreds of years ago?
Muslims are doing it today and you think that is ok too?
Whose side you on?
One more question, are you an americian? because your patriotism is not showing
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So you have no problem with abortion?

no I don't . I think it's up to the person doing it not me

You think terrorism is fine? No I think It's bad on all sides muslim, christian or whatever they are.


And you are holding a grudge to what the early Christians did hundreds of years ago? In the long term hurdreds of years is not that long . I don't hold a grudge I just choose not to forget what has happened in the past on both sides .

Muslims are doing it today and you think that is ok too?No it's not ok but wrong is wrong no matter what side Your on .

Whose side you on?I'm not on any side just watching the madness from both sides

One more question, are you an americian? because your patriotism is not showingLast time I checked the church had nothing to do with how much I love the US.
And Yes I'm First gen americian My family is from norway and have been here about 70 Years

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Old March 2nd, 2010, 10:05 PM   #154
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And Yes I'm First gen american My family is from norway and have been here about 70 Years
the church has nothing to do with if you are an american. It sounds like to me you pretty much sit on the fence, not taking one side or the other. Being netrual is not always good. Stand up for what you believe in, grow a pair and be a man. Stop being wishy washy and pic a side. But I would suppose you think on the lines like most liberal people. As long as it does not affect me directly I will bury my head in the sand and pretend all is well.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 10:06 PM   #155
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good one Scott I needed a laugh at about this exact time.
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the church has nothing to do with if you are an american. It sounds like to me you pretty much sit on the fence, not taking one side or the other. Being netrual is not always good. Stand up for what you believe in, grow a pair and be a man. Stop being wishy washy and pic a side. But I would suppose you think on the lines like most liberal people. As long as it does not affect me directly I will bury my head in the sand and pretend all is well.
I did pick a side. I think Your both wrong and say it loud. I think killing over what some book says is wrong on both sides.
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I did pick a side. I think Your both wrong and say it loud. I think killing over what some book says is wrong on both sides.
Well its good to see you stand for something
What book are you talking about?(sarcasim)

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What book are you talking about?
really? you ARE an asshole
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Sorry but You don't need a camp to be a terrorist .Some christian who blow's up someone is just as much a terrorist as some muslim or what ever they are blowing something up or killing people. You just don't want to say they are.
I never said you need a camp, i was pointing out the FACT that you don't hear of Christian terrorist training camps. That would indicate a larger portion of the group may be terrorist acceptable since they have formal training camps.

Also I was commenting on the article. I'll say it again, the authors of the articles are saying we should call the acts they referenced, Christian Terrorist Acts. That"s their opinion and it doesn't make it a FACT or true.

Terrorism is just that no matter who commits it.
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