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Old March 1st, 2010, 07:18 PM   #121
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I found some things you might find worth reading- these are scholar Muslim articles about terrorism and Islam. The first one in particular is a good read, though it is a bit long.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/shaheen01.htm
http://www.islamfortoday.com/murad04.htm
http://www.islamfortoday.com/harun01.htm
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Tell me why is it when you go to the airport and muslims get bent out of shape because they are being profiled? Was it not muslims that were the ones to plot and take part in 9/11?
If muslims were to denouce terrorism then I would think that they should have no problem about being profiled in general. They need to stand up on the roof tops and tell it to the world so all can hear that not all muslims are terrorists.
I do believe that not all are terrorists but they need to speak out against it. Which I have not heard.
As far as poking fun at Christians are you kidding me? It is open season on Christians. It is politically incorrect to poke fun at Islam or any other religion. But Christianity is open game. Double standard.
You know you christians have terrorist's to right?

Should You all be profiled to?
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You know you christians have terrorist's to right?

Should You all be profiled to?
Maybe you can let me know of any? and not just the odd ball nut job that said he was doing it in the name of Jesus. And at that point the Christian community came togther and denouced his actions as not in line what Christianity is about.
And if it was Christians that bombed buildings or planes, maybe blonde hair blue eyed Christians then yes line em up and profile away.
But they were muslims that did that and yet they complain when they are profiled.
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I found some things you might find worth reading- these are scholar Muslim articles about terrorism and Islam. The first one in particular is a good read, though it is a bit long.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/shaheen01.htm
http://www.islamfortoday.com/murad04.htm
http://www.islamfortoday.com/harun01.htm
Yes a long read, but when I got to the part about muhamid being a role model I had to wonder if you knew anything about him or who he was? Did you know that he took a 6 year old girl to be his bride? He did not sleep (rape ) the child until she was 9. But I suppose you knew that? In the begining he preached peace and love and all the feel good stuff but when he was not able to convonce follers of Christ, he had them beheaded by the thousands. They were to denounce Christianity and accept Islam or die by the sword.
The roots of Islam are demonic form the start.
You may believe what you understand or hear but I do not
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Maybe you can let me know of any? and not just the odd ball nut job that said he was doing it in the name of Jesus. And at that point the Christian community came togther and denouced his actions as not in line what Christianity is about.
And if it was Christians that bombed buildings or planes, maybe blonde hair blue eyed Christians then yes line em up and profile away.
But they were muslims that did that and yet they complain when they are profiled.
http://jdallen.org/news/christian-te...mbing-in-iowa/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shanny..._b_209521.html

Here is a couple it took 5 seconds to find . so what do you call a christian that blows up or shoots up and abortion clinic?

I call them terrorists .
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First of all, many, many Muslim scholars (the ones studying the Qur'an...the best source of information on Islam...) have already come out and fervently disowned terrorism as its own religion, and one that at best has a farcical connection with Islam. This stuff is all over the place so as long as you don't try NOT to find it, you will. Second, people of Arab descent, note that I do not say Muslim, this is an important distinction that you refuse to make, are profiled at airports in the same way that black guys are profiled for selling drugs or middle class white kids with trench coats for shooting up schools; that is, because statistically they are associated. That doesn't mean that every one of them supports it, it's simply association. There are plenty of non-Arab-looking Muslims that have no such profiling issues; it's just association. And again, you complain that Christianity is open to ridicule, then go on to ridicule Islam. Sure, the extreme left does the same thing in reverse, and it often goes beyond decent taste, but you know what? The extreme left and the extreme right are the same people with the same hypocrisies, but with different religions (read: Christianity vs. Humanism, for lack of a better word) Ask the middle, more rational voices and you'll find they tend to leave every religion alone. You know why? They're reasonable people!
Being reasonable will not save you from your sins. Being reasonable will not save you from yourself.
Islam also says it is ok to lie and mislead anyone who is not a believeing muslim. It says that in thier quarn.
Have you also heard and seen terrorist hiding in their temple behind women and children.
The amoms of their temples give them safe places to hide because they know that thier temples are off limits to our military
There are some middle east people that have accepted Christ and have told how not to trust Muslims.
Did you also know that if a muslim leaves the muslim faith that they must be killed. Whether it is your brother, sister, mother, father it does not matter. If one turns their back on Muhamid they must die.
So if you think Islam is so great and loving, go and join up with em and let me know how it goes for you. Why not start by going to Mecca and ask if you can become one of them. They would cut your throat and you would never be seem from again.
But you can defend them if you think they are in need of your defence.
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The roots of Islam are demonic form the start.
Alright, I was hoping this was going to be an intelligent debate, between two theologians. If you want to turn it into a sad farce covered in such petty bigotry, have fun. I'll find something else to do.
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http://jdallen.org/news/christian-te...mbing-in-iowa/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shanny..._b_209521.html

Here is a couple it took 5 seconds to find . so what do you call a christian that blows up or shoots up and abortion clinic?

I call them terrorists .
What these type of people do is wrong. Terroist? No. Nut job? Yes
Who was that guy that blew up the federal building in Oklahoma? That guy was a terrorist. A domestic terrorist.
The abortion doctor was killing babies, which also is wrong. But we have a government that says its ok to kill our young innocent unwanted unborn children.
And if you think that is ok then you need to think over what is right and what is wrong in your mind.

Terrorist= putting terror into the minds of inocent people
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Being reasonable will not save you from your sins. Being reasonable will not save you from yourself.
Islam also says it is ok to lie and mislead anyone who is not a believeing muslim. It says that in thier quarn.
Have you also heard and seen terrorist hiding in their temple behind women and children.
The amoms of their temples give them safe places to hide because they know that thier temples are off limits to our military
There are some middle east people that have accepted Christ and have told how not to trust Muslims.
Did you also know that if a muslim leaves the muslim faith that they must be killed. Whether it is your brother, sister, mother, father it does not matter. If one turns their back on Muhamid they must die.
So if you think Islam is so great and loving, go and join up with em and let me know how it goes for you. Why not start by going to Mecca and ask if you can become one of them. They would cut your throat and you would never be seem from again.
But you can defend them if you think they are in need of your defence.
did You know christians have done the same thing to their own.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/spanishmassacre.htm
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Alright, I was hoping this was going to be an intelligent debate, between two theologians. If you want to turn it into a sad farce covered in such petty bigotry, have fun. I'll find something else to do.
Your a theologian? Oh why didn't you say so.
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What these type of people do is wrong. Terroist? No. Nut job? Yes
Who was that guy that blew up the federal building in Oklahoma? That guy was a terrorist. A domestic terrorist.
The abortion doctor was killing babies, which also is wrong. But we have a government that says its ok to kill our young innocent unwanted unborn children.
And if you think that is ok then you need to think over what is right and what is wrong in your mind.

Terrorist= putting terror into the minds of inocent people
You can't have it both ways . Anyone one who kills innocent people in the name of something is a terrorist . christian,muslim or domestic

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Your a theologian? Oh why didn't you say so.
Yep. I was the assisting minister of a Lutheran (ELCA synod) church for 7 years. In that time, I read the good book enough that I'm perfectly willing to consider myself a theologian of sorts, especially after all the research into biblical contexts and all the other bits and pieces that really make the bible work.
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Yep. I was the assisting minister of a Lutheran (ELCA synod) church for 7 years. In that time, I read the good book enough that I'm perfectly willing to consider myself a theologian of sorts, especially after all the research into biblical contexts and all the other bits and pieces that really make the bible work.
I am impressed.
After reading the Good Book are you a follower of Jesus Christ, do you believe in Him and have a relaitionship with Him?
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I am impressed.
After reading the Good Book are you a follower of Jesus Christ, do you believe in Him and have a relaitionship with Him?
I think Jesus made for a great social philosopher, and I like what the man had to say.
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I think Jesus made for a great social philosopher, and I like what the man had to say.
So you do not believe He is the Son of God?
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So you do not believe He is the Son of God?
I don't think it matters; if you listen to the teachings and work to live as he did, a life well lived is its own reward.
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I don't think it matters; if you listen to the teachings and work to live as he did, a life well lived is its own reward.
Do you know of the scripture that talks about how it is imoprtant to have a realtionship with Him?
To have the Son is to have the Father and no one will enter the kingdom of heaven if you do not know the Son.
As Christ also said, deny Me before man and I will deny you before my father in heaven. and the list goes on I could get my good book and quote you scripture, but not at this time it is late and I have to work in the morning.
Christ was very clear in how important it is to have a relationship with Him, and believe in Him. But you already know this.
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Do you know of the scripture that talks about how it is imoprtant to have a realtionship with Him?
To have the Son is to have the Father and no one will enter the kingdom of heaven if you do not know the Son.
As Christ also said, deny Me before man and I will deny you before my father in heaven. and the list goes on I could get my good book and quote you scripture, but not at this time it is late and I have to work in the morning.
Christ was very clear in how important it is to have a relationship with Him, and believe in Him. But you already know this.
Sure I know the line. But just like everyone else who reads the bible, there are parts I read and like, and parts that I simply ignore because they're inconvenient to my way of thought.
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Sure I know the line. But just like everyone else who reads the bible, there are parts I read and like, and parts that I simply ignore because they're inconvenient to my way of thought.
I can see by what you write you do not have a relationship with the Lord and it is sad that you say you spent 7 years with Him and studing His word but never really got anything from it besides book knowledge.
You cannot pick and choose what suits you and your way of life. Either you accept Him or you don't.
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You cannot pick and choose what suits you and your way of life. Either you accept Him or you don't.
But you've been doing the very same this entire argument. Jesus spoke at great length about loving the sinner and not passing judgment and being open-minded, yet you're perfectly willing to write off (read: judge) an entire religion by the actions of a few that don't even represent it.
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