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Old July 14th, 2006, 05:01 PM   #1
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ok this is my opinion and expect it to get torn apart but i dont really give a crap about that. What is wrong with this country or at least what i see as the 2 major things.

1. People are so fucking cheap they are putting themselfs into a situation to have nothing. If people can wake up and pay the extra $5 for something made in america that employs american people instead of buying the cheap crap made in china that really probly isnt as good anyway. I think that if we as americans dont relise this soon the midle class will dissapear and we will be left with rich and poor(if anyone knows a cute rich girl that happens to be single let me know ). I guess i would have to think the hard times michigan is aparently satarting to see is just the begining if we dont wake up the rest of the country will probly follow.

2. parents wont disaplen their kids. If i did something to bad i got my ass padled now partents go to jail for it. dont get me worng im not saying parents should beat their kids but a little disaplin be it a spanking or time out you have to do something. Kids should respect their elders and one another for that matter. And even though i am probly considered a kid by most people on here i feel my mother did a fine job raising me and will hopefully do as well if i have kids. I know i have more to say but my thoughts were interupted and i lost it o well.

And in the end you can only be at the top for so long and U.S.A. has been it for a long time so I thinking a move to Canada may be coming my way. Ok thats all i had right now so end rant.
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Old July 14th, 2006, 05:04 PM   #2
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I agree. She probably did do a good job raising you....except she probably should've gotten you an English tutor.

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As hard as it is to read that, I agree. People, in general, nowadays, are pussies. Like has been stated earlier today, banning a fucking kitetube? What the hell is so wrong with our country nowadays that we have to ban a TOY that has an expressed danger that occurs by using the damn thing? If thats the case, we shouldn't do anything or go outdoors! Oh, and parents definetly need to tell their damn kids NO! No means NO! Discipline! I was at the grocery store the other day, standing in line to check out, this lady's 3 year old sat on the floor for eh, around 10 minutes in line crying and bitching about wanting something. This kept going on, until this old badass dude, probably about 70, starts yeliing at the kid and the mom to shut the hell up, and that they were "Being goddamned bastards, teach your damn kid some manners!" I love angry old people! Stupid people suck.

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old people know whats up that old guy is probly my hero for doing that
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As hard as it is to read that, I agree. People, in general, nowadays, are pussies. Like has been stated earlier today, banning a fucking kitetube? What the hell is so wrong with our country nowadays that we have to ban a TOY that has an expressed danger that occurs by using the damn thing? If thats the case, we shouldn't do anything or go outdoors! Oh, and parents definetly need to tell their damn kids NO! No means NO! Discipline! I was at the grocery store the other day, standing in line to check out, this lady's 3 year old sat on the floor for eh, around 10 minutes in line crying and bitching about wanting something. This kept going on, until this old badass dude, probably about 70, starts yeliing at the kid and the mom to shut the hell up, and that they were "Being goddamned bastards, teach your damn kid some manners!" I love angry old people! Stupid people suck.
i agree ill take this rant in the direction of why do stores cater to the most annoying beligerant and worst behaved people DESPITE the fact it annoys the shit out of dozens of paying, loyal, other well behaved customers?

Why the hell dont stores staff say in meanest tone of voice in the first minute: LADY GET YOUR KID UNDER CONTROL OR GET OUT !!! WE DONT NEED YOUR BUSINESS!!! Not every customer is one worth having and that pisses me off. No one has any ballz these days
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(if anyone knows a cute rich girl that happens to be single let me know )
I know a few.

I also know that looks(to an extent) and money dont matter much to me anymore because of the people I know...
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Israel sure isn't a country of pussy. Israel is today what the U.S. was a few decades ago.

Go Israel!! Fuck em all up!
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i agree ill take this rant in the direction of why do stores cater to the most annoying beligerant and worst behaved people DESPITE the fact it annoys the shit out of dozens of paying, loyal, other well behaved customers?
Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Many of the, "paying, loyal, or other well behaved customers" do not voice their opinion. They do not complain. Some of the, "annoying, beligerant, and worst behaved people" voice thier opinion loudly. They complain. They get their way.

My point is if you get enough paying customers to complain about something a store or business will make changes to resolute the complaining.


As for the children/parent issue stated in #2 of the original post I'll add the following; I am a second grade teacher and father of 2 boys age 5 and 7. I know a lot about children and a lot about parents. Most of the problem stems from the fact that parents spend very little time with thier children. The child is at school or daycare every day. The evenings are spent at soccer or some other extra curricular activity. Many parents actually spend only a few moments interacting with their children. When a parent spends only an hour or so a day with their child that parent has a hard time being the bad guy and laying down the law. This should not be an excuse but it is a reason I see that so many children are less than ideally behaved.
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ok this is my opinion and expect it to get torn apart but i dont really give a crap about that. What is wrong with this country or at least what i see as the 2 major things.

1. People are so fucking cheap they are putting themselfs into a situation to have nothing. If people can wake up and pay the extra $5 for something made in america that employs american people instead of buying the cheap crap made in china that really probly isnt as good anyway. I think that if we as americans dont relise this soon the midle class will dissapear and we will be left with rich and poor(if anyone knows a cute rich girl that happens to be single let me know ). I guess i would have to think the hard times michigan is aparently satarting to see is just the begining if we dont wake up the rest of the country will probly follow.

2. parents wont disaplen their kids. If i did something to bad i got my ass padled now partents go to jail for it. dont get me worng im not saying parents should beat their kids but a little disaplin be it a spanking or time out you have to do something. Kids should respect their elders and one another for that matter. And even though i am probly considered a kid by most people on here i feel my mother did a fine job raising me and will hopefully do as well if i have kids. I know i have more to say but my thoughts were interupted and i lost it o well.

And in the end you can only be at the top for so long and U.S.A. has been it for a long time so I thinking a move to Canada may be coming my way. Ok thats all i had right now so end rant.
1. What products would these be? There is very little made in the USA anymore.

2. _F_ says it all. Very well put.

About Canada...that right there is funny. You better research that a little more.

A little poor punctuation and misspelled words is one thing, but holy-hard-to-read dude....There's another thing to add to your list of what's wrong with this country. Young people that don't learn and don't care about things that are important.
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#1 is waaaaaay off base.
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Haggar, I've never known you to be a man of so few words.
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Haggar, I've never known you to be a man of so few words.
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That right there is funny.
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Old July 18th, 2006, 11:52 PM   #13
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1. People are so fucking cheap they are putting themselfs into a situation to have nothing. If people can wake up and pay the extra $5 for something made in america that employs american people instead of buying the cheap crap made in china that really probly isnt as good anyway. I think that if we as americans dont relise this soon the midle class will dissapear and we will be left with rich and poor(if anyone knows a cute rich girl that happens to be single let me know ). I guess i would have to think the hard times michigan is aparently satarting to see is just the begining if we dont wake up the rest of the country will probly follow.
I'm not sure how i feel about this any more. I think we need to take a closer look at exactly why people buy imported products. I think it breaks down into 3 reasons.

1. there's no alternative. This applies to most clothes, shoes, electronics, toys, and I'm sure many other things. These are mostly labor intensive products, things that are easily shipped, and things that other countries have just been better at making. Unless there's a major change I don't see this stuff coming back.

2. perception of higher quality. This applies to some cars, and many other products like consumables (beer, wine, candy, etc...) I think some of this is rooted in colonial times and has never left. In the early time on this continent the things made here tended to be basic stuff and if you wanted anything fancy it had to be imported. Also playing into this is the fact that with some things they only import the luxury items. They had regular mass produced items also, but there's no reason to import those. this has resulted in a perception amongst some people that something brought from far away must be better than what we see every day. I'm sure that sometimes the perception is reality but I don't think that's always the case.

3. cheaper. This applies to many products including cars, tools, etc. This seems to be what your most angered by. My opinion will just anger you more. If it's cheaper to set up a plant in another country, make the product there, and ship it half way around the world than it is to make it in this country, in an existing plant, with American workers then something's seriously wrong. It tells me that our plants are inefficient and our workers are over paid. Blame whoever you want... unions, government, lazy workers, whatever, but the simple fact is that your labor is only worth exactly the value of the products it produces. If people won't pay a high enough price to pay you what your making then your over paid. If someone somewhere else is willing and able to do your job as well as you do for less money then your over paid. If someone wants to pay more for something because they thinks there's a value in supporting the local economy that's fine, that's their right. But to expect and demand that someone pay extra to support over paid workers in inefficient factories is forcing charity, which is basically socialism, a most un-American principle. This country was made great because we were free to seek out the best value for our money. The companies that provided that flourished, that ones that didn't perished. That's the American way. I think it would be a mistake for us to turn out backs on that principle now.

Would I like to see everyone buying American made products? Absolutely, but I want you to buy it because you feel it provides you the best value for your money, not out of some sense of obligation. I want your admiration, not your charity. Will I continue to encourage people to buy American made products? Absolutely, but only when I believe that it provides the best value for you money, not out of charity.

(anyone care to guess what book I知 in the middle of reading that influenced my thinking above?)

Tomorrow I値l try to piss off the rest of you by responding to your second rant.
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I'm not sure how i feel about this any more. I think we need to take a closer look at exactly why people buy imported products. I think it breaks down into 3 reasons.

1. there's no alternative. This applies to most clothes, shoes, electronics, toys, and I'm sure many other things. These are mostly labor intensive products, things that are easily shipped, and things that other countries have just been better at making. Unless there's a major change I don't see this stuff coming back.

2. perception of higher quality. This applies to some cars, and many other products like consumables (beer, wine, candy, etc...) I think some of this is rooted in colonial times and has never left. In the early time on this continent the things made here tended to be basic stuff and if you wanted anything fancy it had to be imported. Also playing into this is the fact that with some things they only import the luxury items. They had regular mass produced items also, but there's no reason to import those. this has resulted in a perception amongst some people that something brought from far away must be better than what we see every day. I'm sure that sometimes the perception is reality but I don't think that's always the case.

3. cheaper. This applies to many products including cars, tools, etc. This seems to be what your most angered by. My opinion will just anger you more. If it's cheaper to set up a plant in another country, make the product there, and ship it half way around the world than it is to make it in this country, in an existing plant, with American workers then something's seriously wrong. It tells me that our plants are inefficient and our workers are over paid. Blame whoever you want... unions, government, lazy workers, whatever, but the simple fact is that your labor is only worth exactly the value of the products it produces. If people won't pay a high enough price to pay you what your making then your over paid. If someone somewhere else is willing and able to do your job as well as you do for less money then your over paid. If someone wants to pay more for something because they thinks there's a value in supporting the local economy that's fine, that's their right. But to expect and demand that someone pay extra to support over paid workers in inefficient factories is forcing charity, which is basically socialism, a most un-American principle. This country was made great because we were free to seek out the best value for our money. The companies that provided that flourished, that ones that didn't perished. That's the American way. I think it would be a mistake for us to turn out backs on that principle now.

Would I like to see everyone buying American made products? Absolutely, but I want you to buy it because you feel it provides you the best value for your money, not out of some sense of obligation. I want your admiration, not your charity. Will I continue to encourage people to buy American made products? Absolutely, but only when I believe that it provides the best value for you money, not out of charity.

(anyone care to guess what book I知 in the middle of reading that influenced my thinking above?)

Tomorrow I値l try to piss off the rest of you by responding to your second rant.


I'm so glad you decided to read that book.
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anyone care to guess what book I知 in the middle of reading that influenced my thinking above?

Contribution to a Critique of Political Economy
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Sarcasm or a total miss understanding of what I wrote?
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Whatever book you are reading has opened your eyes to the truth of a world economy. American workers do tend to be lazy in relation to workers around the world. Numbers don't lie. More people need to understand these things by doing some reading and simple research. It is the same as people screaming about Exxon making billions of dollars in profit. They need to go open the 2005 Annual Report and realize that in 2005, they made less than a 10% profit margin. Companies that make less than 10% in most industries are normally considered to be in some financial trouble.... Just glad to see you reading and understanding the economics behind the scenes.
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Whatever book you are reading has opened your eyes to the truth of a world economy. American workers do tend to be lazy in relation to workers around the world. Numbers don't lie. More people need to understand these things by doing some reading and simple research. It is the same as people screaming about Exxon making billions of dollars in profit. They need to go open the 2005 Annual Report and realize that in 2005, they made less than a 10% profit margin. Companies that make less than 10% in most industries are normally considered to be in some financial trouble.... Just glad to see you reading and understanding the economics behind the scenes.
LOL, I think most Tier 1s would be thrilled to make 10%...
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Perception of Quality

This is a joke. We (US Manufacturers) have the capability to produce the highest quality automobiles in the World, but we throw in "Statisctical Process Controls" which seem to make it OK to have a defect every X vehicles. If you're the one who gets the X...you're pissed...and eventually you're going to buy a product that is built with more quality PLANNED into it. The attitude at GM seemed to be..."we can't demand that sort of quality, because the workers won't do it". That's crap! Insist upon a quality job and the workers who care will step up. Those who don't need to be on the unemployment line.

I WAS a die-hard GM buyer, but I've been burned too many times. My Acura is amazing, and I will likely buy another one when I'm shopping for a new car.

Having said that...I won't be trading my Jeep in for a Toyota anytime soon.

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If it make you feel better, GM has been asking us to make their future parts look like Acura parts. :tonka:
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