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Old January 24th, 2010, 05:47 PM   #21
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My experience with vans is this: the sliding door grows to be a huge PITA. Granted, they have them on both sides now, but they're still a pain.

Personally, I find the Element to be ugly as sin. It looks like it might be a good kid hauler in that it appears to pack a lot of cubic feet into a smallish package - and Honda builds great powertrains.

Ford Escape is also another good kid hauler.
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Old January 24th, 2010, 06:08 PM   #22
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is the intent to keep it as the kid ages? or dump it in 2-3 years before it really starts making a mess in the car?

from experience, we really thought that the convenience of dual sliding doors when dealing with infant carriers and car seats while the kids were at ages where they could not buckle themselves in was extremely worth it - it's one reason we kept the heap of shit, completely falling apart, and never knowing when it would blow up chevy venture.

while I wouldn't suggest that particular make/brand - I would suggest that a van might be worth considering at this time - most have the additional feature of having quite good crash ratings
My wife would rather die then be seen in a mini-van. When I was growing up I remember our pimping Astro van so I could handle it.

The Element has suicide type doors where the back seat is right there so buckling in a kid will be very similar to a minivan.
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My wife would rather die then be seen in a mini-van. When I was growing up I remember our pimping Astro van so I could handle it.

The Element has suicide type doors where the back seat is right there so buckling in a kid will be very similar to a minivan.

Can you open the rear door with out opening the front door?

If it's like an extended cab pick-up where you must open the front door first I can tell you from experience that type of set up ABSOLUTELY blows for loading kids in and out of the car when parked next to another car in a parking lot.
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Old January 24th, 2010, 06:27 PM   #24
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I have 3 kids and have used a 93 ZJ and 01 WJ for kid haulers for the past 11 yrs. I wouldn't go any smaller, partly because those car seats take up as much room as an adult and strollers don't fold up very well. They are big enough to be comfortable w/o being a full size SUV. My family of 5 spent 2 weeks driving around out west this summer in our WJ and were plenty comfortable.

We tried a jetta (TDI). First off, it was a piece of crap. Second, way too small. You couldnt put a rear facing car seat in it w/o hitting the back of the front seats and both a car seat and a booster seat wouldnt fit in the back seat side by side.
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Old January 24th, 2010, 06:46 PM   #25
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My wife would rather die then be seen in a mini-van. When I was growing up I remember our pimping Astro van so I could handle it.

The Element has suicide type doors where the back seat is right there so buckling in a kid will be very similar to a minivan.
my wife said the same thing. when we were first married, her daily driver was a red integra gs-r 5 speed...

I put her in a mazda millenia for a couple of years, and something like only 3 months into baby-carting duty she quickly grew tired of dealing with hinged doors with the infant carrier, diaper bag, back-pack or stroller, etc. just warning ya that if you haven't figured it out yet, women in particular will be prone to rapid life changing opinions - especially post-partem

re: duffman: for the life of me, I can't figure out how a sliding door could be construed as a pita - yes, a van is not stylish, and yes it sort of could be construed that one has "given up" if one cares about such nonsense but a pita?
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Old January 24th, 2010, 06:50 PM   #26
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I am going to vote for no vehicle in particular, but voice some of our recent experiences.

1) as was previously stated safety is number one. That's all I am going to say about that.

2) I REALLY WISH we would have taken our baby car seat car shopping with us. We had our first kid in Nov 2008 and shortly after bought an '06 Grand Cherokee to replace my old XJ. Great vehicle if you ask me, but the baby seat forced my wife to pull her seat pretty far forward so not much front passenger leg room. The next car seat (forward facing) is awkward due to the door/ rear seat configuration. Not impossible, but the kid does get her head knocked from time to time.

3) Number 2 child came way faster than we thought we would originally have 2 kids. (Always wanted more though, but didn't think to plan that soon ahead). Now with 2 different car seats, stroller and baby gear there is ZERO cargo room left for much else. A small travel trailer, roof top carrier, etc is necessary now for any longer trips.

Needless to say we are now in the market for a Suburban. My wife refuses to drive a minivan thankfully so that is the option we like best. So if you decide you'd like an '06 Grand Cherokee, 45k miles, 4.7 V8 then let me know.

Cliffs: Take the kids car seat car shopping, think of safety and think of future kids.
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Old January 24th, 2010, 06:54 PM   #27
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I have bought and sold several of the Element's and have had great luck with both reliability and customer satisfaction. If there is one consideration for families is that there are only two seat belts in the rear and room for two passengers which basically makes it a 4 passenger vehicle. My wife has driven them as a demo and loved it both in the winter and summer and she is use to Yukons/Tahoe's. They have also proven to be quite reliable and low cost to maintain. Just my 2 cents tho.
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My mom bought hers new in 04' and we now have it. The 05'MY+ have a stiffened chassis due to a windshield cracking problem on earlier models. If you really twist up the suspension supposedly the windshield can crack on these models. I've never actually seen one do it though. The factory sound system is real good, brtter than most aftermarket setups. Having to open the front door to get the back door open really isn't a problem if you're getting out to load and unload kids from safety seats anyway. Kids seem to love the rear sunroof although I just see sunroofs as another seal to leak later on. You CAN NOT hose out the interior, it will short out the wiring. I saw one at the dealer that was getting a new harness because the owner thought they could hose it out. You can mop it out with a damp mop or towel. Taking the seats out, laying them back or hitching them up to the sides for loading cargo is a nice feature, but hitching them in the up position covers both side windows and makes huge blind spots. Get the little convex stick on mirrors and all will be better. The AWD works well, but the OE Goodyear Wranglers suck in rain & snow. I'd switch them for Michelin's or another good tire. The highway mileage is only a little better than city due to the poor aerodynamics. Some people are pissy about the looks, but for me 'form follows function.' You'd be hard pressed to find a better purpose built people / cargo mover at twice the price.
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I don't do too bad with my 05 GC and the boy. I always thought out car seat was huge and even when he was rear facing I was able to put my chair all the way back. However now hes big enough that he does get bumped on the ceiling every once in a while. Also he is forward facing and is tall enough to kick the back of my seat.

She drives an 05 Saturn Vue and seems to like it. I wanted something a bit larger but she refused. I guess I'll be car be car shopping again, for her, when number two is on the way. We wont be able to go anywhere with 2 kids and everything that comes along with them, and still have room for the dog.

Both of these are 5 star crash ratings, and have had almost 0 issues with either. The Saturn now has 67k miles and the Jeep 97k miles.
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I know someone with an Element and she absolutely hates it on the highway. Seems the 1.8L isn't up to pushing a heavy box 70 mph.
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Old January 24th, 2010, 08:11 PM   #31
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couldn't you find an uglier car??
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Old January 24th, 2010, 08:20 PM   #32
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I've always imagined the freestar/taurus x would foot the bill well, optioned nicely I've seen them on the cheap. I dont know how they do in crash tests but IMO a subie wagon would be an ideal todler hauler with fuel consumption in mind. Or you could get an excursion and have plenty of room to grow.
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Old January 24th, 2010, 08:28 PM   #33
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FWIW, one of my buddies at work has one. he is the pickiest asshole i have ever met, and he loves it. he is talking about getting another one.
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Old January 24th, 2010, 09:58 PM   #34
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couldn't you find an uglier car??
Google "Honda Element SC"
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I know someone with an Element and she absolutely hates it on the highway. Seems the 1.8L isn't up to pushing a heavy box 70 mph.
They come with a 2.4l in the SC model which will help that.
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My experience with vans is this: the sliding door grows to be a huge PITA. Granted, they have them on both sides now, but they're still a pain.

Personally, I find the Element to be ugly as sin. It looks like it might be a good kid hauler in that it appears to pack a lot of cubic feet into a smallish package - and Honda builds great powertrains.

Ford Escape is also another good kid hauler.
See above. I'd post a pic if I wasn't on my phone.


A WJ is also on the list but only if I can't find the right Element with a stick.
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Old January 25th, 2010, 03:41 PM   #35
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This is the version most of you are thinking about.



This is the Version that I'm thinking about buying.










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Old January 25th, 2010, 07:14 PM   #36
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Bought a 2006 AWD Element in april 2006 with 15 miles. Have 88,000 miles on it now. No maint. thus far except for one rear strut replaced under the extended 100,000 mile warranty purchased. Also replaced 2 windshields and currently in need of a 3rd due to what I am told is a bad deflection angle for incoming stones. Also, replaced rear brake pads at 45,000 miles, rear pads and rotors 75,000 miles (front ones not touched yet but are getting down there). Original tires replaced 60,000 miles.

As mentioned by above posters, rear seat only has two seat belts. Rear suicide doors can only be opened after front doors are opened. Stock sound system is decent. 1.8 could be a little peppier. 2.4 I would assume would have more get.
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Looks like shed have to open two doors and push a seat forward to get a kid seat in (kid seats are much bigger than you think). Compare that to two clicks on a minivan remote and I can see why someones life priorities can change.

I can fit a car seat in the XJ - should weld in some "anchor system" points in though. To change a car out for 1 kid seems a bit much. My mom, dad and I cruised in his C3 Vette. T-top tie-downs make for good seatbelts
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Bought a 2006 AWD Element in april 2006 with 15 miles. Have 88,000 miles on it now. No maint. thus far except for one rear strut replaced under the extended 100,000 mile warranty purchased. Also replaced 2 windshields and currently in need of a 3rd due to what I am told is a bad deflection angle for incoming stones. Also, replaced rear brake pads at 45,000 miles, rear pads and rotors 75,000 miles (front ones not touched yet but are getting down there). Original tires replaced 60,000 miles.

As mentioned by above posters, rear seat only has two seat belts. Rear suicide doors can only be opened after front doors are opened. Stock sound system is decent. 1.8 could be a little peppier. 2.4 I would assume would have more get.
Thank you for this response and the others that have given great insight!
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A ton of unemployed people on this site! WTF! would you even talk about buying something other than a Ford (Car and Truck on the year) Quality up to Toyota and Honda, consumer reports top quality award, Ford one of the top 10 stocks for 2009, GM or even Chrysler! Your neighbor is starving.. And don't had me that crap: but they are built in the US! Your AMERICAN dollars are converted to YEN and sent across the pond, to aid their economy!

Raptor 4wd mag truck of the year! Fusion Motor Trend car of the year! Transit Det NA truck of the year!

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