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Old February 22nd, 2010, 11:06 AM   #81
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How is it that you can't see the facts.

Corporations are NOT "The People."

Corporations = Special Interests

Plan and Simple.
Sir, I see the facts very clearly, they are spelled out in plain english in the United States Constitution.

But OK, lets go with corporations aren't the people.....

So if corporations aren't the people then where in the constitution does congress get the power to create laws regarding corporations? Where do they get the power to even create a legal term corporation? There are a total of 18 powers delegated to congress in the constitution, which one gives them the power? Please tell me.

Here, I'll list them for you.....

The Congress shall have power To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;—And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.



The facts are that this power is (possibly) a state power but it is not a federal power, making McCain/Feingold unconstitutional under federal law.

How many times to I have to say it before people understand the concept of states rights vs federal?
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Old February 22nd, 2010, 11:26 AM   #82
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How is it that you can't see the facts.

The government is NOT "The People."

Government = Special Interests

Plain and Simple.



Unions are NOT "The People"

Unions = Special Interests

Plain and Simple




PACs are NOT "The People

PACs = Special Intersts

Plain and Simple
Fixed it for ya.
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Old February 22nd, 2010, 11:33 AM   #83
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Sir, I see the facts very clearly, they are spelled out in plain english in the United States Constitution.

But OK, lets go with corporations aren't the people.....

So if corporations aren't the people then where in the constitution does congress get the power to create laws regarding corporations? Where do they get the power to even create a legal term corporation? There are a total of 18 powers delegated to congress in the constitution, which one gives them the power? Please tell me.

Here, I'll list them for you.....

The Congress shall have power To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;—And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.



The facts are that this power is (possibly) a state power but it is not a federal power, making McCain/Feingold unconstitutional under federal law.

How many times to I have to say it before people understand the concept of states rights vs federal?
Just to save some time for Pete C and AGB I will provide you with the lefts answer......

Thanks for proving my point that George Bush buy's oil from South America, and that Somolia has better health care than we do. Also it's good to see you are proving that insurance companies are where you go to get surgery, they are your health care provider.

The problem I see is you don't fully understand that monkeys flying out your ass is an indication of global warming, and you would see this more clearly if you would purchase you blow up sex doll of Michael Moore, and Al Gore.

I hope that clears things up for you.
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Old February 23rd, 2010, 07:15 PM   #84
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Sir, I see the facts very clearly, they are spelled out in plain english in the United States Constitution.

But OK, lets go with corporations aren't the people.....

So if corporations aren't the people then where in the constitution does congress get the power to create laws regarding corporations? Where do they get the power to even create a legal term corporation? There are a total of 18 powers delegated to congress in the constitution, which one gives them the power? Please tell me.

Here, I'll list them for you.....

The Congress shall have power To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;—And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.



The facts are that this power is (possibly) a state power but it is not a federal power, making McCain/Feingold unconstitutional under federal law.

How many times to I have to say it before people understand the concept of states rights vs federal?
You really need to do some historical research and look at how and when corporations were first created. It will answer many of your questions.
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Old February 23rd, 2010, 08:23 PM   #85
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You really need to do some historical research and look at how and when corporations were first created. It will answer many of your questions.
This is directed to 3-foot: Are you trying to figure out what AGB read, or how the human brain works, or if it does, on the left.
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Old February 24th, 2010, 11:09 AM   #86
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You really need to do some historical research and look at how and when corporations were first created. It will answer many of your questions.
Would a greater understanding of the history for corporate creation change the words of the constitution?

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This is directed to 3-foot: Are you trying to figure out what AGB read, or how the human brain works, or if it does, on the left.
No.
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It is happening already.

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