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Old January 18th, 2010, 11:52 AM   #1
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A.. Back off and let those men who want to marry men, marry men.

B.. Allow those women who want to marry women, marry women.

C.. Allow those folks who want to abort their babies, abort their babies.

D.. In three generations, there will be no Democrats.
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stop trying to legislate everything.

back on topic.
look, if gay men or gay women wish to marry, its fine by me. I spend 0% giving a fukc what they do as my life is too short
to care. if they are happy so be it.

what I find most funny about the topic of gay marriage is that the religious people are always against it but fail to
recognize the divorce rate of marriages in their faith corral. furthermore your "faith" based on theory not on fact says its wrong
so you don't want others to be happy?

99.9999% of heterosexual marriages will not accept a gay giving them advice. why do it in return.

the one thing I cannot stand about this country is that other people have to interfere with others lives for no reason.
America is so homophobic that we think we may turn gay for no reason. We as Americans pride ourselves on how smart we are
and yet look at what we are trying to solve....gay marriage? why not find a cure for diabetes, cancer, etc. instead of litigating on important
things and moving forward we choose to litigate baseball and other private sector issues.

so I am sure that some homophobe is going to chime in with some cliché homophobe concept.
for this person you need to read about the same sex past of victorian america up through the early 1900s.
for both men and women the same sex relationship was common and widely practiced with normalcy.

one can credit kinsey for ever altering our repressed social contract to what we have today.

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Old January 18th, 2010, 12:01 PM   #3
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Old January 18th, 2010, 12:17 PM   #4
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Old January 18th, 2010, 01:00 PM   #5
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stop trying to legislate everything.

back on topic.
look, if gay men or gay women wish to marry, its fine by me. I spend 0% giving a fukc what they do as my life is too short
to care. if they are happy so be it.

what I find most funny about the topic of gay marriage is that the religious people are always against it but fail to
recognize the divorce rate of marriages in their faith corral. furthermore your "faith" based on theory not on fact says its wrong
so you don't want others to be happy?

99.9999% of heterosexual marriages will not accept a gay giving them advice. why do it in return.

the one thing I cannot stand about this country is that other people have to interfere with others lives for no reason.
America is so homophobic that we think we may turn gay for no reason. We as Americans pride ourselves on how smart we are
and yet look at what we are trying to solve....gay marriage? why not find a cure for diabetes, cancer, etc. instead of litigating on important
things and moving forward we choose to litigate baseball and other private sector issues.

so I am sure that some homophobe is going to chime in with some cliché homophobe concept.
for this person you need to read about the same sex past of victorian america up through the early 1900s.
for both men and women the same sex relationship was common and widely practiced with normalcy.

one can credit kinsey for ever altering our repressed social contract to what we have today.
Well said, I was (after reading some of the responses) beginning to believe no one on this site could think for themselves.
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Old January 18th, 2010, 01:03 PM   #6
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Well said, I was (after reading some of the responses) beginning to believe no one on this site could think for themselves.
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Old January 18th, 2010, 01:37 PM   #7
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Well said, I was (after reading some of the responses) beginning to believe no one on this site could think for themselves.
thanks. I have read much on the subject of sexual concept and history. it is such a fantastic subject with oodles of information to discover and I like to learn. I would bet that very few people are even mature enough to go to the bookstore and purchase a book on any subject of sexuality.

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Old January 18th, 2010, 06:02 PM   #8
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stop trying to legislate everything.

back on topic.
look, if gay men or gay women wish to marry, its fine by me. I spend 0% giving a fukc what they do as my life is too short
to care. if they are happy so be it.

what I find most funny about the topic of gay marriage is that the religious people are always against it but fail to
recognize the divorce rate of marriages in their faith corral. furthermore your "faith" based on theory not on fact says its wrong
so you don't want others to be happy?

99.9999% of heterosexual marriages will not accept a gay giving them advice. why do it in return.

the one thing I cannot stand about this country is that other people have to interfere with others lives for no reason.
America is so homophobic that we think we may turn gay for no reason. We as Americans pride ourselves on how smart we are
and yet look at what we are trying to solve....gay marriage? why not find a cure for diabetes, cancer, etc. instead of litigating on important
things and moving forward we choose to litigate baseball and other private sector issues.

so I am sure that some homophobe is going to chime in with some cliché homophobe concept.
for this person you need to read about the same sex past of victorian america up through the early 1900s.
for both men and women the same sex relationship was common and widely practiced with normalcy.

one can credit kinsey for ever altering our repressed social contract to what we have today.
agreed
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Old January 18th, 2010, 06:38 PM   #9
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stop trying to legislate everything.

back on topic.
look, if gay men or gay women wish to marry, its fine by me. I spend 0% giving a fukc what they do as my life is too short
to care. if they are happy so be it.

what I find most funny about the topic of gay marriage is that the religious people are always against it but fail to
recognize the divorce rate of marriages in their faith corral. furthermore your "faith" based on theory not on fact says its wrong
so you don't want others to be happy?

99.9999% of heterosexual marriages will not accept a gay giving them advice. why do it in return.

the one thing I cannot stand about this country is that other people have to interfere with others lives for no reason.
America is so homophobic that we think we may turn gay for no reason. We as Americans pride ourselves on how smart we are
and yet look at what we are trying to solve....gay marriage? why not find a cure for diabetes, cancer, etc. instead of litigating on important
things and moving forward we choose to litigate baseball and other private sector issues.

so I am sure that some homophobe is going to chime in with some cliché homophobe concept.
for this person you need to read about the same sex past of victorian america up through the early 1900s.
for both men and women the same sex relationship was common and widely practiced with normalcy.

one can credit kinsey for ever altering our repressed social contract to what we have today.
The kinsey report was misleading from who he gathered his information from, prisoners and people who think like you
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Old January 18th, 2010, 08:21 PM   #10
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The kinsey report was misleading from who he gathered his information from, prisoners and people who think like you
yes the kinsey report was misleading. it doesn't change the fact that after its publish it almost single handedly changed social perception of same sex relationships and ushered in an era of same gender interaction taboo that we still have not overcome.

who is the divine power that says same sex marriage is wrong? a deity whom we can no more prove than debunk? is it someone who wrote a book that says it's wrong? and if yes who gave them the power?

the sad fact is, that we have based our social contract and sexual taboo on people like freud, kinsey and a hand full of others whos "biased" studies and "flawed" psychoanalysis were taken as true fact. perhaps it was groundbreaking at their respective times yet it doesn't make it fact.

somewhere along the lines of recorded human history someone created the concept of marriage between a man and a woman. who says now isn't the time in human history when we encode same sex marriage into it as well?

If we read we find out that moral objection to same sex marriage really has nothing to do religion at all. with all the horrific crap in this world I highly doubt if a god exists he would exclude gays into eternal bliss. in this case the objection to same sex marriage linked to religion is merely a cover-up for acute and miopic peoples who cannot respect love (and sex for that matter) in all of it's forms and enjoy others being happy.

for me, linking religion to being against gay orientation is complete idiocy. if that is the case why did the deity whom created everything also create the sow bug (commonly called the rolly polly) whom which is able to contract a virus that will ultimately change a male sow bug into a female? surely this goes against theological detest for sex changes as well.

these people who are afraid of anything out of their inbred comfort zone breed and pass on restrictive ideals because they cannot muster the maturity to accept any other theory. this has been proven many times most notably in the 70s when studies were conducted on same sex interaction by attaching measuring equipment on men and womens' genitals to read secretion while viewing a variety of pornographic scenes. they were shown hetero, gay and group collaborations and the data was collected. afterwords the subjects underwent polygraphs as to what turned them on. the subjects were well aware that they could not lie to cover up the results of the genital results. they still did. most self labeled heterosexuals lied and said that they were most turned on by hetero visual stimulation. However the other data proved that while viewing same sex or group sex scenes, arousal was much higher.
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I say we stop being cheep fucking basterads!!!!!!!

That goes for all americans.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 01:36 AM   #12
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stop trying to legislate everything.

back on topic.
look, if gay men or gay women wish to marry, its fine by me. I spend 0% giving a fukc what they do as my life is too short
to care. if they are happy so be it.

what I find most funny about the topic of gay marriage is that the religious people are always against it but fail to
recognize the divorce rate of marriages in their faith corral. furthermore your "faith" based on theory not on fact says its wrong
so you don't want others to be happy?

99.9999% of heterosexual marriages will not accept a gay giving them advice. why do it in return.

the one thing I cannot stand about this country is that other people have to interfere with others lives for no reason.
I agree, so quit forcing minorities on me with all the politically correct bullshit, and the afirmitive action shit. Let me hire people who are qualified to work for me based on their abilities, and quit telling me I can't get rid of someone who feels it's a requirement to tell me how they butt fawk their buddy, or thier great great great grandparents where slaves, to be blunt I DON'T CARE, and if your going to side track your job with that bullshit your fired.

America is so homophobic that we think we may turn gay for no reason. We as Americans pride ourselves on how smart we are
and yet look at what we are trying to solve....gay marriage? why not find a cure for diabetes, cancer, etc. instead of litigating on important
things and moving forward we choose to litigate baseball and other private sector issues.
SEx is not a spectators sport it's between two people and the problem is the sexual devients refuse to keep it between two people.

so I am sure that some homophobe is going to chime in with some cliché homophobe concept.
for this person you need to read about the same sex past of victorian america up through the early 1900s.
for both men and women the same sex relationship was common and widely practiced with normalcy.

one can credit kinsey for ever altering our repressed social contract to what we have today.

Acting like a dog and humping someones leg puts you in the same league as a dog, I don't think I would find it acceptable if people where going around sniffing each others asses, or if, like in the animal world, some guy came over and jumped my wife while I was away at work, like animals do.
I could also bring up the question of consenting age, since you where talking about victorian america when wives where 12 13 years old. I guess thats O.K. to, well according to NAMBLA anyway.

I suppose we will hear some child molesting cliche now.
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Acting like a dog and humping someones leg puts you in the same league as a dog, I don't think I would find it acceptable if people where going around sniffing each others asses, or if, like in the animal world, some guy came over and jumped my wife while I was away at work, like animals do.
I could also bring up the question of consenting age, since you where talking about victorian america when wives where 12 13 years old. I guess thats O.K. to, well according to NAMBLA anyway.

I suppose we will hear some child molesting cliche now.
whoops. you may be misunderstanding the victorian america reference.

it was in regards to same sex relationships and their social acceptance.
there are countless examples of young women cultivating same sex relationships as was normal for men to share beds or write each other letters about their care and feelings for one another. it is documented even Abe Lincoln participated is the forementioned activities.

male same sex gatherings were prominent through as late as the 30s were socially defined "heterosexual" males went to gathering spots and had sex.
all of the above were common practice and not negative in any way. ONLY after the widespread label of Homosexual became prevalent do we see that contract change to detest and hate towards same sex relationships.

you're points are correct and we cannot allow people to behave like animals, but for those who go about their own business deserve what other respectful people deserve.
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Take the money we've given corporations who couldn't handle it in the first place, to all the TAX paying american citizens to pay their bills and really stimulate the economy.

Oh, and let's send all the politicians and lawyers to detainment camps.
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whoops. you may be misunderstanding the victorian america reference.

it was in regards to same sex relationships and their social acceptance.
there are countless examples of young women cultivating same sex relationships as was normal for men to share beds or write each other letters about their care and feelings for one another. it is documented even Abe Lincoln participated is the forementioned activities.

male same sex gatherings were prominent through as late as the 30s were socially defined "heterosexual" males went to gathering spots and had sex.
all of the above were common practice and not negative in any way. ONLY after the widespread label of Homosexual became prevalent do we see that contract change to detest and hate towards same sex relationships.

you're points are correct and we cannot allow people to behave like animals, but for those who go about their own business deserve what other respectful people deserve.
So now your the determining factor in interfering in peoples lives. Also you failed to address the fact that 12 an 13 year olds where allowed to marry, You good with that.
Furthermore it is and was common practice in different cultures to have sex with very small children, whats your proposal on that, do you interfere with an individual or do you like you already said take the position that "
the one thing I cannot stand about this country is that other people have to interfere with others lives for no reason."
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There will never be a cure for cancer since it is a mega multi billion dollar industry...cure the disease lose the money. No chance! You'll be suprised how many ppl out there would let millions die so they can become filthy rich. I guess they'll get what's coming to them in the next life :)
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There will never be a cure for cancer since it is a mega multi billion dollar industry...cure the disease lose the money. No chance! You'll be suprised how many ppl out there would let millions die so they can become filthy rich. I guess they'll get what's coming to them in the next life :)
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So now your the determining factor in interfering in peoples lives. Also you failed to address the fact that 12 an 13 year olds where allowed to marry, You good with that.
Furthermore it is and was common practice in different cultures to have sex with very small children, whats your proposal on that, do you interfere with an individual or do you like you already said take the position that "
the one thing I cannot stand about this country is that other people have to interfere with others lives for no reason."
toes, you're twisting stated historical fact as my tried and true belief. furthermore you are combining my first post statements with posted historical fact and trying to use it to contradict me. the first post is separate from the information being offered in the succeeding posts. Behaving like animals in the context you placed by unsolicited sexual imposition, rape forced or otherwise should be dealt with as a crime. Not controlling someone elses choice, but protecting thee who gets violated.

Please don't turn cultural fact to stand for what I think is correct. You seem to want to fire back at me personally for simply stating documented fact.
it is also a proven fact that females in america as well as most other highly developed countries begin maturation years ahead of less developed peoples of the world.

you seem to keep going back to this child issue. fortunately our medical technology has provided us with the ability to roam around on this earth for 75~ years average. that gives us plenty of time to procure marital status much later in life, procreate later and still do all we want to. history shows us that the acceptable age for marriage has lengthened in correlation to our life expectancy. when you life expectancy is 40-50 your engrained notion is to marry and procreate at an earlier age. bearing children in the late 30s or into your 40s was unheard of.

Now, we see that although children of that period were probably more mature at a younger age because of environmental conditions we now are able to afford offspring with a better childhood existence than before. it's all part of the evolutionary process.

getting upset with me for posting information for broadening perspective simply doesn't make sense.

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This thread is lol.

Right, without the rule of law with its origins in religion or "creator" the earth would be full of happy prosperous people. Brb, Ima go have sex with something.
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