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Old January 19th, 2010, 11:25 AM   #21
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This thread is lol.

Right, without the rule of law with its origins in religion or "creator" the earth would be full of happy prosperous people. Brb, Ima go have sex with something.

it is making me laugh as well. I am certain that people are uncomfortable with the concept of past social contract as it pertains to sex & same sex relationships. Just reporting the facts.

well for those uncomfortable I have also read in studies of sexuality that men enjoy experiencing the external nature of male orgasam. now if you can't handle reading the word penis that should make you squirm with self shame.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 12:22 PM   #22
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Toes doesn't dig evolution.
Your jumping to unfounded conclusions.......Again
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Old January 19th, 2010, 12:23 PM   #23
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you dig evolution?
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Old January 19th, 2010, 12:40 PM   #24
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toes, you're twisting stated historical fact as my tried and true belief. furthermore you are combining my first post statements with posted historical fact and trying to use it to contradict me. the first post is separate from the information being offered in the succeeding posts. Behaving like animals in the context you placed by unsolicited sexual imposition, rape forced or otherwise should be dealt with as a crime. Not controlling someone elses choice, but protecting thee who gets violated.

Please don't turn cultural fact to stand for what I think is correct. You seem to want to fire back at me personally for simply stating documented fact.
it is also a proven fact that females in america as well as most other highly developed countries begin maturation years ahead of less developed peoples of the world.

you seem to keep going back to this child issue. fortunately our medical technology has provided us with the ability to roam around on this earth for 75~ years average. that gives us plenty of time to procure marital status much later in life, procreate later and still do all we want to. history shows us that the acceptable age for marriage has lengthened in correlation to our life expectancy. when you life expectancy is 40-50 your engrained notion is to marry and procreate at an earlier age. bearing children in the late 30s or into your 40s was unheard of.

Now, we see that although children of that period were probably more mature at a younger age because of environmental conditions we now are able to afford offspring with a better childhood existence than before. it's all part of the evolutionary process.

getting upset with me for posting information for broadening perspective simply doesn't make sense.

You're taking things out of context and manipulating them to justify your position. What was acceptable in Victorian America is either acceptable or not, you cherry picking what benefits your position. You are doing the same thing with the statement about interfering in a persons business.
Some how you have made the determination that homo sex is O.K. but you limit sex based on age, Age that was acceptable in Victorian America.

What about sex with sheep, necrophilia. You good with that.

Ever go to Mexico and watch the donkey show???????

Is that acceptable behavior to you, it's been going on forever.

Can we use the Roman Empire as a guide line for acceptable sexual behavior, per your posts its part of history so if it was good enough then it should be good enough now.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 12:46 PM   #25
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you dig evolution?
I think it's really interesting and we can learn from it.

I actually dig the earth literally.

I never said I don't believe in evolution, that would be silly since the word evolution is so broad and we can see evolution in something everyday.

I have seen an Atheist who was obviously mad about something relative to Christianity evolve into a committed husband and sometimes church goer.

Evolution, it's right in front of us.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 01:12 PM   #26
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You're taking things out of context and manipulating them to justify your position. What was acceptable in Victorian America is either acceptable or not, you cherry picking what benefits your position. You are doing the same thing with the statement about interfering in a persons business.
Some how you have made the determination that homo sex is O.K. but you limit sex based on age, Age that was acceptable in Victorian America.

What about sex with sheep, necrophilia. You good with that.

Ever go to Mexico and watch the donkey show???????

Is that acceptable behavior to you, it's been going on forever.

Can we use the Roman Empire as a guide line for acceptable sexual behavior, per your posts its part of history so if it was good enough then it should be good enough now.
no I am not using them to support my stance.
am I ok with gays and gay marriage? yes it doesn't bother me.

I am not saying that we should go back to the standards of victorian america toes. I am simply stating the fact that people were more open to same sex relationships. nothing more, nothing less. assume whatever you want about what I stated. do I wish to practice the values of victorian america? no. are there some who would? sure. why you insist on this "if it was good then it's good now" argument I don't know? I never said it was good or bad. again its information put out there. period. stew over it all you wish.

you keep adding occult sexuality with your necrophelia and beastiality and the taboo perverse. I don't personally find any of that acceptable. but then again we were originally discussing gay marriage.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 01:57 PM   #27
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no I am not using them to support my stance.
am I ok with gays and gay marriage? yes it doesn't bother me.

I am not saying that we should go back to the standards of victorian america toes. I am simply stating the fact that people were more open to same sex relationships. nothing more, nothing less. assume whatever you want about what I stated. do I wish to practice the values of victorian america? no. are there some who would? sure. why you insist on this "if it was good then it's good now" argument I don't know? I never said it was good or bad. again its information put out there. period. stew over it all you wish.

you keep adding occult sexuality with your necrophelia and beastiality and the taboo perverse. I don't personally find any of that acceptable. but then again we were originally discussing gay marriage.
I was trying to point out that while you may be O.K. with fags some people may be O.K. with what you term perverse, and some people may term gay as perverse. What makes you right and them wrong??????

We all try to justify our position.

Off subject a little but Mike Sova has a legitimate point when it comes to Christians. You will hear a shit pot full of I know the bible says this but...

Grinds me to no end, same with gay is O.K. but ***** isn't because I think it's wrong, same holds true with sticking your nose in others affairs, people will say keep your nose out, but, or except when.

All boils down to opinions.


Mine is always right.....
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Old January 19th, 2010, 02:19 PM   #28
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I was trying to point out that while you may be O.K. with fags some people may be O.K. with what you term perverse, and some people may term gay as perverse. What makes you right and them wrong??????

We all try to justify our position.

Off subject a little but Mike Sova has a legitimate point when it comes to Christians. You will hear a shit pot full of I know the bible says this but...

Grinds me to no end, same with gay is O.K. but ***** isn't because I think it's wrong, same holds true with sticking your nose in others affairs, people will say keep your nose out, but, or except when.

All boils down to opinions.


Mine is always right.....


whether I term something perverse or not is irrellivant. despite what I think it will still happen among those who want it to happen.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 02:30 PM   #29
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whether I term something perverse or not is irrellivant. despite what I think it will still happen among those who want it to happen.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 05:42 PM   #30
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yes the kinsey report was misleading. it doesn't change the fact that after its publish it almost single handedly changed social perception of same sex relationships and ushered in an era of same gender interaction taboo that we still have not overcome.

who is the divine power that says same sex marriage is wrong? a deity whom we can no more prove than debunk? is it someone who wrote a book that says it's wrong? and if yes who gave them the power?

the sad fact is, that we have based our social contract and sexual taboo on people like freud, kinsey and a hand full of others whos "biased" studies and "flawed" psychoanalysis were taken as true fact. perhaps it was groundbreaking at their respective times yet it doesn't make it fact.

somewhere along the lines of recorded human history someone created the concept of marriage between a man and a woman. who says now isn't the time in human history when we encode same sex marriage into it as well?

If we read we find out that moral objection to same sex marriage really has nothing to do religion at all. with all the horrific crap in this world I highly doubt if a god exists he would exclude gays into eternal bliss. in this case the objection to same sex marriage linked to religion is merely a cover-up for acute and miopic peoples who cannot respect love (and sex for that matter) in all of it's forms and enjoy others being happy.

for me, linking religion to being against gay orientation is complete idiocy. if that is the case why did the deity whom created everything also create the sow bug (commonly called the rolly polly) whom which is able to contract a virus that will ultimately change a male sow bug into a female? surely this goes against theological detest for sex changes as well.

these people who are afraid of anything out of their inbred comfort zone breed and pass on restrictive ideals because they cannot muster the maturity to accept any other theory. this has been proven many times most notably in the 70s when studies were conducted on same sex interaction by attaching measuring equipment on men and womens' genitals to read secretion while viewing a variety of pornographic scenes. they were shown hetero, gay and group collaborations and the data was collected. afterwords the subjects underwent polygraphs as to what turned them on. the subjects were well aware that they could not lie to cover up the results of the genital results. they still did. most self labeled heterosexuals lied and said that they were most turned on by hetero visual stimulation. However the other data proved that while viewing same sex or group sex scenes, arousal was much higher.
Same sex marriage is biologically incorrect. Humans were not created to be attracted to each other in a sexual manner.
There is more than enough proof of Gods existance, you choose not to observe it.
You must also realize that the only way to populate the earth is to procreate through marrage and not through same sex partners and that was not wqritten in a book it is biologically incorrect. If we were to encode same sex marrage then the human population we would be extinct.
God is God. He made up the rules not you or me. I choose to follow His rules to the best of my ability.
You sound as an inteligent person as others on this site, what confuses me is why don't you guys get it. Did you know that denile is not just a river in Egypt.
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Humans were not created to be attracted to each other in a sexual manner.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 06:53 PM   #32
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Same sex marriage is biologically incorrect. Humans were not created to be attracted to each other in a sexual manner.
There is more than enough proof of Gods existance, you choose not to observe it.
You must also realize that the only way to populate the earth is to procreate through marrage and not through same sex partners and that was not wqritten in a book it is biologically incorrect. If we were to encode same sex marrage then the human population we would be extinct.
God is God. He made up the rules not you or me. I choose to follow His rules to the best of my ability.
You sound as an inteligent person as others on this site, what confuses me is why don't you guys get it. Did you know that denile is not just a river in Egypt.
there is sooo much repression in this i don't know where to begin
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there is sooo much repression in this i don't know where to begin
I can't believe Kinsey made his young son do the measurement of Kinsey's penis.

I guess I have trouble putting stock in a guy that would do that.
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I can't believe Kinsey made his young son do the measurement of Kinsey's penis.

I guess I have trouble putting stock in a guy that would do that.
he also had his wife participate in massochisim, group sex and the like with his grad students and colleages of which he filmed unknown in his attic.

he was a pretty creepy guy imo.
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