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Old July 19th, 2006, 03:16 PM   #1
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Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research Bill
Senate Passes Bill Expanding Funding For Stem Cell Research

POSTED: 7:31 am EDT July 19, 2006
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WASHINGTON -- President George W. Bush said he has vetoed a bill that would have allowed expanded federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research because it "crosses a moral boundary that our decent society needs to respect."

Bush said the measure passed by Congress would "support the taking of innocent human life in hopes of finding medical benefits for others."

He said it would have done away with what he described as a more balanced approach he had taken on the issue.


The move comes a day after the Senate passed a bill that would expand federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.

The bill passed 63-37, four votes short of the two-thirds majority that would be needed to override Bush's veto.

Even though big-name conservatives including Bill Frist and John McCain voted to fund research on donated embryos that otherwise would be destroyed, White House spokesman Tony Snow said it's a matter of principle for the president.

Snow said Bush won't go down the "slippery slope" of destroying a living thing in the name of research.

It was Bush's first veto in the 5.5 years since he took office. No president has gone that long without casting a veto since John Quincy Adams.

The White House said Bush hasn't had to veto any bills until now because Congress has always bowed to his will.

The president left little doubt he would reject the bill despite late appeals on its behalf from fellow Republicans Nancy Reagan and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Senate supporters of the bill likened that logic to opposition suffered by Galileo, Christopher Columbus and others who were rebuked in their time but vindicated later.

Polls show as much as 70 percent public support for embryonic stem cell research.

Democrats React

Shaking their heads over the president's expected veto, angry Democrats vowed to do all they can to get stem cell research back on track.

New York Sen. Charles Schumer said Bush is making an unfortunate choice for his first veto -- one he said will "rob so many people of hope."

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid called Bush the president who "wouldn't veto billion-dollar handouts for Enron and Exxon," but is willing to dash the hopes of people such as Reagan and Michael J. Fox.

The widow of Ronald Reagan, who had Alzheimer's, and the actor, who has Parkinson's, both support stem cell research.

Reid said Democrats plan to press Republicans for an override. But they're not expected to have the votes.
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Old July 19th, 2006, 03:36 PM   #2
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Another thing I don't argee with Bush on.
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Old July 19th, 2006, 04:04 PM   #4
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can someone clarify what exactly this bill was attempting to do? I've read like 4 articles and noone has the wording of the bill, or what it's main objective was. I really dont feel like looking it up the hard way
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I believe at the present time, federally funded research can only be done on the few existing lines. I think there are about 67 lines today.

Knowing that trying to open funding to any embryo would be defeated for sure, what this one is trying to do, is say: what if we allow federal funds for reserach on embryos which are going to be destroyed, anyway. For example, if embryos are let over after fertilization processes.


thats my uninformed understanding.
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Old July 19th, 2006, 05:05 PM   #7
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To me the issue is using human life for studies. It is having embrios for the purpose of research, and then destroy the embrios through research. I whole heartly back Bush on this descision. I don't believe in creating life for the purpose of saving life, that is Gods right to do not ours.

But, anybody that is PRO-CHOICE will be in favor of this, those that are Anti-Abortion will be against it, so you may as well start a thread on Abortion.
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To me the issue is using human life for studies. It is having embrios for the purpose of research, and then destroy the embrios through research. I whole heartly back Bush on this descision. I don't believe in creating life for the purpose of saving life, that is Gods right to do not ours.

But, anybody that is PRO-CHOICE will be in favor of this, those that are Anti-Abortion will be against it, so you may as well start a thread on Abortion.


I'm very pro-life.

But the embrios used are going to be discarded anyway.
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I am very pro life as well, but I heartily support stem cell research.

Medical research is done on the living and the dead today.


I think this is a good compomise, myself, although I'm sickened by the fact that science is progress is continually taking place to *religion*.
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Yes. I don't see it as any more than messing with cadavers.
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I dont know I mean if the embryos aren't going to develop I dont neccessarily oppose stem cell research.

I guess I just feel like people have to die of something, science can't keep EVERYONE alive for like 150 years. (that would be a nightmare)

Then again I can't say that I wouldnt want treatment if I had cancer or something like that so i guess I'm a big hypocrit.

The stem cell thing just scares be because it could quickly get to the point when we are growing entire limbs or cloned bodies to carry multiple hearts for transplants......that kinda stuff isn't right.
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To me the issue is using human life for studies. It is having embrios for the purpose of research, and then destroy the embrios through research. I whole heartly back Bush on this descision. I don't believe in creating life for the purpose of saving life, that is Gods right to do not ours.

But, anybody that is PRO-CHOICE will be in favor of this, those that are Anti-Abortion will be against it, so you may as well start a thread on Abortion.
As others have stated, I am very much pro-life, but at the same time favor stem cell research. Someone very close to me has a disease that could greatly benefit by this.
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I am a scientist and have worked with stem cells before and let me tell you this is IMPORTANT stuff. There is a korean fellow who had been making stem cell lines for some time for the government and turns out he faked all of them, setting the field back several years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwang_Woo-Suk

The USA needs to be the LEADER in this technology to make sure it is being done correctly and safely. Please note that certain stem cell lines can only make certain daughter cell lines, so it is important to get the full complement of lines to treat the greatest number of diseases. This is the future and we would be foolish to let it pass us by.

And FYI, we have a company right here in MI that does stem cell research - Aastrom Biosciences. www.aastrom.com
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Bush is an idiot. :miff:
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I'm still a little undecided about this, and most of that indecision comes from lack of knowledge. I can go along with the idea that these embryos were going to be discarded anyways so why not use them for research. But what is the goal of this research? What happens if they discover a way to use stem cells to cure all manner of disease and illness? Do we then start "embryo farming" so that people can live longer? Or can you keep using the ones you have? i don't know how it works.
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I'm still a little undecided about this, and most of that indecision comes from lack of knowledge. I can go along with the idea that these embryos were going to be discarded anyways so why not use them for research. But what is the goal of this research? What happens if they discover a way to use stem cells to cure all manner of disease and illness? Do we then start "embryo farming" so that people can live longer? Or can you keep using the ones you have? i don't know how it works.

This is what I was trying to get at, it is a step twards further research that may include embrio farming.
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Nature is mean for a reason; that is to help with population control so we don't overload this earth. What does that mean? Lets not be playing God folks.

I haven't read this bill yet, but maybe there just weren't enough stipulations on what this funding could be used to try to solve. Just to further stem cell research and it's possible contributions? Or something else?
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Nature is mean for a reason; that is to help with population control so we don't overload this earth. What does that mean? Lets not be playing God folks.

I haven't read this bill yet, but maybe there just weren't enough stipulations on what this funding could be used to try to solve. Just to further stem cell research and it's possible contributions? Or something else?
Something else = GW is a jesus freak.
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Here is the details that sometimes are ignored:

It is the SOURCE of the stem cells that is at the core of the debate, not the research. There are sources of stem cells that are just as valid as embryonic stem cells that don't require tissue from aborted fetuses. In fact, the current legislation has promoted discovery of new sources. Why use cells from a hotly debated source (abortion) if you can get them someplace else?

1) The current bills that involve other sources are not being veto'd.
2) The legislation only prohibits FEDERAL FUNDING of embryonic stem cells, it does not prohibit privately funded research.

So WTF is everyone's panties in a bunch for?
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