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Old January 14th, 2010, 10:51 AM   #21
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Im guessing he is running a B8 instead of a B9 NGK plug - which means it burns a little bit hotter IIRC
That is true. But they are the same exact size, would'nt change the compression, or make it harder to start. I think this guy just fed him a line of s*it on his low compression worn out sled to try to sell it.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 10:58 AM   #22
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This is probably true, I would find out if he is running the Champions or the NGK's. Is the head stock or slp? Is the sled one of polaris' test/trial sleds? I have a friend that had and early 2000's 700 xc (extended to 136) that was modded for lack of better terms from polaris that would take 900 t-cats. I have never heard of using a "bigger" plug but I do know that some of the old (70's) ski doo's ran a NGK a or ab plug which was bigger but I thought they were shorter.



edit: I would ask on hardcoresledder or snowest, maybe even johndee.

On NGK the lower the number the hotter the plug burns.


To archspring, I hope this is just a joke. Really.

You can not put a plug in and have it increase compression enough that it will be hard to start. Hard starting is usually a sign of low compression. I would recommend looking up the manufacturer's specifications for the proper plug for that machine. I would also purchase a decent compression tester, not a harbor freight one. Do a compression test on the machine and compare it to OEM spec's.

Truth be told, with the knowledge you have displayed about snowmobiles, I would probably avoid the sport all together.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 11:00 AM   #23
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That is true. But they are the same exact size, would'nt change the compression, or make it harder to start. I think this guy just fed him a line of s*it on his low compression worn out sled to try to sell it.
You should sell him one. If he is dumb enough to buy a worn out turd he would probably buy one $1200 over kbb.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 11:04 AM   #24
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Sorry that I'm not as smart as everybody here, and sorry that I have to start somewhere. Why do you think I asked? It's because I was doing my research and trying to LEARN about these as opposed to jumping in and buying something that isn't proper.

Maybe I'll wake up tomorrow as smart as you guys and then I can make a good decision, because I'm sure you guys knew everything about engines before you ever worked on one
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Old January 14th, 2010, 11:07 AM   #25
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On NGK the lower the number the hotter the plug burns.


To archspring, I hope this is just a joke. Really.

You can not put a plug in and have it increase compression enough that it will be hard to start. Hard starting is usually a sign of low compression. I would recommend looking up the manufacturer's specifications for the proper plug for that machine. I would also purchase a decent compression tester, not a harbor freight one. Do a compression test on the machine and compare it to OEM spec's.

Truth be told, with the knowledge you have displayed about snowmobiles, I would probably avoid the sport all together.

When I said this may be true I was talking about them dropping down to 8's to run hotter instead of running the stock 9's.

I did that with my 05 renegade after they remapped it and it did make a difference.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 11:17 AM   #26
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Sorry for not being 4x4 related. I have the opportunity to purchase a nice Polaris XC 700. I went and test drove it and it is slightly hard starting. Anyway my question is the guy told me he is using oversized spark plugs which take up more space in the cylinder which creates less space for compression which means he said I have to run really high octane to compensate and that is why it is hard starting. I've googled a bunch of stuff and I can't find out anything about these high compression spark plugs. Anybody have any information? I want the snowmobile, but I have to go to the bank to get a loan so I need to make a decision.

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Ok first off don't get it. He is feeding you a bunch of shit. Here is why I think you should not get this thing.

The only thing that can come from some one using " over sized spark lugs that take up more room in the cylinder " is a cracked piston. If he is talking about using a spark plug that is a more efficient spark plug ( hotter spark) that is a different thing. But if it is taking up more space in the cylinder don't get it.

On top of that it was hard to start. Now is this a pull start or electric start. If it is pull start then if it is electric it should not have trouble starting. Unless it has been sitting for months not properly stored. And even if it is pull start. I have a 2002 ZR 800 Cross Country. I can start that thing -40 in 3 pulls.

So if i were you i would look else were.Just my 2 cents.

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well, i guess it depends on how much for the thing.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 01:03 PM   #28
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There's enough sleds for sale.. im sure there's a better deal out there.. keep looking
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Old January 14th, 2010, 01:12 PM   #29
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Sorry that I'm not as smart as everybody here, and sorry that I have to start somewhere. Why do you think I asked? It's because I was doing my research and trying to LEARN about these as opposed to jumping in and buying something that isn't proper.

Maybe I'll wake up tomorrow as smart as you guys and then I can make a good decision, because I'm sure you guys knew everything about engines before you ever worked on one
Well, I think you're smart for asking somewhere before throwing your money away on a sled.

The line he fed you is definitely B.S. : Plug reach can get a little longer - but not anywhere in the vicinity that you could measure a change.

When you say it was hard to start - was it an electric start and cranked slow, but uneven (like it was working against compression), a regular crank speed - but just a long time to start or is it pull start and just took forever?

It can come from lots of things, however, in a two stroke (I think the sled is a 2stroke, right?) there are plenty of problems that can hinder cold starting: really low compression, shitty plugs, wrong oil, leaking crankcase seals, wrong carburetor jetting, etc. I've even seen bad ignition / CDI cause starting trouble.

IMHO, the best thing to do is to walk away from this sled. Try to find someone you know that has one for sale or go see "B" at his dealership and have a long talk with him and have him take you over a couple of sleds and point things out to you. I'm sure he's be happy to do it, and might be able to make you a pretty good deal on something if he has what you;re looking for.

Don't give up, and don't pay attention to Kixx007 - He's just grumpy today. Heck - I bet if you asked HIM, he'd help you out too - at least give you some serious pointers on what to look for.
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These guys nailed it right on the head. If he is claiming this spark plug crap run don't walk away. If you do not know a lot about sleds find someone who does and take them with you to look at sleds you are interested in.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 01:45 PM   #31
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Don't give up, and don't pay attention to Kixx007 - He's just grumpy today. Heck - I bet if you asked HIM, he'd help you out too - at least give you some serious pointers on what to look for.

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Old January 14th, 2010, 01:47 PM   #32
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Old January 14th, 2010, 02:18 PM   #33
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And yes, you can drop me a PM and I will give you serious answers.
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Too bad this is already over. Drove by it on the way to a funeral last weekend. There were a LOT of sleds out there.

http://www.snowmobileauction.com/
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Or you can check the "vehicles for sale" section on this website, i've seen some nice ones listed.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 04:01 PM   #36
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Too bad this is already over. Drove by it on the way to a funeral last weekend. There were a LOT of sleds out there.

http://www.snowmobileauction.com/
My Dad bought a sled there a few years back. Good deals.
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Too bad this is already over. Drove by it on the way to a funeral last weekend. There were a LOT of sleds out there.

http://www.snowmobileauction.com/
They have them every month, but it's really hard to check out the sleds like you should on a used one. I have heard stories of some real crap moving through there.
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Sorry that I'm not as smart as everybody here, and sorry that I have to start somewhere. Why do you think I asked? It's because I was doing my research and trying to LEARN about these as opposed to jumping in and buying something that isn't proper.

Maybe I'll wake up tomorrow as smart as you guys and then I can make a good decision, because I'm sure you guys knew everything about engines before you ever worked on one
I am going to step completely out of character here and be serious for a change.....


Have you ever owned, or even ridden a snowmobile before?

If you are a newbie to sledding, you should try renting one first. Might cost you a few hundred, but you will be on a late model sled that has had some maintenance and most likely will not strand you on the trail. This is important because if you sled alone and your machine dies on the trail, you could die too.


And as a general rule, if you are not mechanically inclined, never buy someone else's junk for cheap. Buy new, nearly new, and get a warranty.
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Well, I think you're smart for asking somewhere before throwing your money away on a sled.

Don't give up, and don't pay attention to Kixx007 - He's just grumpy today. Heck - I bet if you asked HIM, he'd help you out too - at least give you some serious pointers on what to look for.
who the fukc are you and what did you do with scooter? seriously your posts are what keeps me coming back for the funny! Is this your new years resolution to let your rainbow side out?
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tell the guy u want to do a compression test..before u buy it
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