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Old July 23rd, 2006, 07:24 PM   #41
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[quote=cmujeeper}I mean since we didn't get attacked by Iraq and all and we can't find any WDMs . . . just wanted to bring up those two points again [/quote]

"...we didn't get attacked by Iraq..." So? Explain.

"...we can't find any WDMs...." Oh, really? So the stockpiles of sarin and mustard gasses don't count? ( psst...you won't find it on OTA networks....they're anti-American, like you)

You would be better served if you actually had a minimal grasp of what goes on in the world, rather than reciting what your feeble little professors feed to you. Perhaps, if you were attending a University known for it's deep, bi-partisan thinking, I'd be inclined to give you a bit more credit for the ideas you attempt to convey. However, you come off as a boy trying to find his way in a mans world...and not doing a very good job of it.


And as to your being a "free thinker"....you will be when you stop reciting what you've been told.
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And as to your being a "free thinker"....you will be when you stop reciting what you've been told.
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"...we didn't get attacked by Iraq..."
Please explain to me when we got attacked by Iraq.

WMD . . Mustard gas . . please!! I'm sure myself or my family would not be affected by some gas going off on the other side of the world. That bastard gained control and some person would do the same in the future. That's how the world works if you have had time to read a history book. We do that in college, read books.

So how come you didn't join up and head off to Iraq to fight if your so Pro US? Would it cut into your GL4x4 time?

And you calling me a boy is kinda funny. So what do you do that you consider yourself a man in a man's world?

Jammison feel free to correct me again since your Always right You might even know when Iraq attacked us.
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Please explain to me when we got attacked by Iraq.

WMD . . Mustard gas . . please!! I'm sure myself or my family would not be affected by some gas going off on the other side of the world. That bastard gained control and some person would do the same in the future. That's how the world works if you have had time to read a history book. We do that in college, read books.

So how come you didn't join up and head off to Iraq to fight if your so Pro US? Would it cut into your GL4x4 time?

And you calling me a boy is kinda funny. So what do you do that you consider yourself a man in a man's world?

Jammison feel free to correct me again since your Always right You might even know when Iraq attacked us.
well i consider trying to kill bush 41 an act of war, there was recently tapes released with saddam saying he was attempting to harm the west. WHO says you have to be defensive and not pro active?

-i am assuming you mean attacking main land us or us occupied territories? Saddam controlled iraq attacked US fighter jets in north iraq countless times in the no fly zone.
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well i consider trying to kill bush 41 an act of war, there was recently tapes released with saddam saying he was attempting to harm the west. WHO says you have to be defensive and not pro active?

-i am assuming you mean attacking main land us or us occupied territories? Saddam controlled iraq attacked US fighter jets in north iraq countless times in the no fly zone.
I'm sure we would just let Russian War Planes fly over Alaska without shooting at them. We knew the no fly zone and sanctions were not going to work but instead of doing a job right we just half assed it and Sadam gained back his control.

I think he's a bad guy but it's his country to rule. If we are going to be Team American - World Police we should atleast do a good job is my point.
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Please explain to me when we got attacked by Iraq.

WMD . . Mustard gas . . please!! I'm sure myself or my family would not be affected by some gas going off on the other side of the world. That bastard gained control and some person would do the same in the future. That's how the world works if you have had time to read a history book. We do that in college, read books.

So how come you didn't join up and head off to Iraq to fight if your so Pro US? Would it cut into your GL4x4 time?

And you calling me a boy is kinda funny. So what do you do that you consider yourself a man in a man's world?

Jammison feel free to correct me again since your Always right You might even know when Iraq attacked us.
As with any liberal confronted with facts, you find yourself totally unprepared to face them, and try the personal attack.

Sorry, kid, it won't work. The fact is, done my part for this country, and if asked, would again.
As for the mustard and sarin gasses, they absolutely are classified as WMD. Sorry .
Iraq was a belligerant nation that claimed to have WMD, and in fact, did. That nation also went out of it's way to portray itself as a player in the WMD field, which it was. Also, said nation has been proven to have had direct links to more than one terrorist organization. Weapons, training and money were furnished.These facts alone justify our incursion in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks.
On the matter of knowing how the world works: I may not know everything, or even a lot, but I know infinately more than you. I've studied political science and the causes of warfare for well over thirty years. I average four books a week on the subject, every week, every year. I don't form my opinions quickly or regurgitate what others have told me. I left home at seventeen and worked my way through college.I hold two degrees. I've run businesses to profit. I've seen people shot dead because of what they believe. I've seen people die for what other people believe. I'm married ,and am raising four children who, at less than thirteen years, have a better grasp on what it is to be free and be an American than you will ever have. So don't you question whether I'm a man or not on here.

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Old July 23rd, 2006, 10:33 PM   #47
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As with any liberal confronted with facts, you find yourself totally unprepared to face them, and try the personal attack.


OooRAH, MutherFucker!!
Ahh, personal attacks. Nice and I think your the one that called me kid. The OooRAH, MutherFucker must mean you used to be a marine which gives you the permission in your mind to be an asshole the rest of your life.

O yeah, congrats on being old and accomplishing something since I think that was what you were fishing for with sharing the info on all your book reading and your two degrees. Just so you know that in less then one year I will also have 2 degrees and will lead compaines to profit. I'm not a marine so I don't have permission to be an asshole the rest of my life and will strive for peace and not world policing.

How do you figure that I don't have a grasp on real life? Is that because I don't think we should be sending kids (as I would guess you call all people my age) some where to die. Let the Iraqis sort their own problems out or kill each other in the process. I really don't care either way as long as Americans don't have to die. I'm sure that the Alaskian National Gaurd (who were just deployed) who signed up to protect the US in circumstances where the US is in danger are wondering why they are in Iraq now. Please explain how the backdoor draft is good for our country or sending our troops all over the world is good for America?

So they did just find WMD as Mustard and Sarrin were classifed in 2000 by the U.N. and documents just found from 1993 that stated they had terrorist ties.

So since they just found those documents does that mean BUSH was just guessing that they "might" have ties to terrorist of 9/11 which gives them the right to attack?? Maybe actually hunting down the people that we think attacked 9/11 would have been the better plan and would lead to a littler higher approval rating by the US or as you would believe.

Answer that one question for me about the guessing by the BUSH folk that has send our kids to die and

ARRooahh or what ever that is Big Guy.
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I refer to you as a child because your reasoning and debating skills are childish. Sorry if you're offened.
The WMD and intel on terrorists have not just been found, as you may have been led to believe. The fact that the administration doesn't feel obliged to share everything with you must come as a surprise, and I'm sure it is.
No, you don't have permission to be an asshole, but I see that fact hasn't stopped you from doing so.
Using National Guard units to augment Regular military troops is not a "backdoor" draft, it one of the main purposes of the organization.
"Sending kids somewhere to die" is a rather simplistic way of looking at strategic deployment of our forces, but I've come to the conclusion that you know very little about what is going on, and care even less about opposing points of view.
It's obvious that you've been impressed by someone at your school who has a similarly small view of things. It's a shame, because you probably aren't so bad in person. However, you should attempt to become a more well-rounded person in terms of your political views....all things in moderation,as they say.
Don't for a minute think that things are as they appear.....life,and politics, are certainly not what you hear in your classes or see on TV. But I guess you have that all figured out, huh?


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Holy crap are you kidding me? The minor WMD are just the beginning. Next comes atomic. Think that won't change your life?

I know the talk was of Iraq but leaning toward Iran...they are in the process of building atomic bombs. They already have a ICBM designed and built. Do you think they would hesitate to fire one of those things off? You gotta be fucking kidding me.

Police? No, protection. That's what I expect my government to do. I have a son, i'm not going to let him stick his hand in the fireplace and then act. I will procect him from harm. Uncle Sam should do the same for us. They failed us on 9-11...they don't want to make that mistake again and I am glad they are doing what ever it takes.

I served my country, and would do it again...even if it meant keeping your sorry, lib, anti-troops, "lets wait till they toss a nuke at us", ass safe and free to be spewing the abolute filth that comes out of your pie-hole.

Gezus...CMU has really really f-ed you all up. Way to be a free thinker.

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Keep your powder dry....you're going to need it.
I don't read 4 books a day or how ever many your read so if you don't mind explaining what that means I would appriciate that. You see I'm out of school know for the summer so I can't run to my prof and ask him what that means since you just told me that is what I do when I don't understand things.

You are also telling me that the RESERVES were set up for when smart americans think the US is in a pointless war and don't want to inlist to be shipped out and possibly get killed for defending some Iraqi's freedom which then gives the US the right to tap into the RESERVES and maybe so but boy that sucks.

Do you know that there is an automatic $30,000 sign up bonus to be in the army and they still can't get people to inlist. Doesn't that say something about how the collective young population feels on the matter. I hope you die young for your sake so you won't have to see what the world will be like when we get to your age and are making all the decisions.

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I have a son, i'm not going to let him stick his hand in the fireplace and then act.
You protected your son just fine by moving to the Just make sure he knows to say away from the guys in flannel that live in the woods :tonka:

I say lets go get Iran since they do have the capablities to hurt us but do it in good time. Why jump in feet first without the rest of the world like we did with Iraq and once again be on everyones shit list.

You probably won't believe this but CMU does a good job of keeping politics out of the class room and we just got lights for the football field and are going to destroy BC on Aug. 31st if your interested in tailgating. How old is your boy? I seem to remember him as being to young to tailgate but it's cool, we can make some coolaid or something
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Cmujeeper I think you are missing the fact that 9/11 was a catalyst not a direct 100 % isolated pure connection. 9/11 was not by any one nation, does that mean who should sit on our thumb and play sit and spin with our ass?

I don’t want to repeat what the chef and muddy paws said they said it well. I want pro active not reactive, heck the trade center was attached in 1993 by AL quada it took all of the Clinton administration and into bush 1st term. If not for 9/11 I don’t think we would have ever woke up or got serious about the problems of radical fundamental Islam.

Radical fundamental Islam is not isolated to al Qaeda, and al Qaeda is not the singular problem we have to worry about. I saw another post about Israel and whether we should get involved or when? Hezbollah’s mission statement says they want to exterminate Israel and push the Jews into the Mediterranean and then wipe out the democratic capitalist west.

Hezbollah is a 100 % enemy of freedom, capitalism democracy, and Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism (al quada has been destroying Buddhist temples since the mid 1990s) and all secular nations.

If someone called your home and said they were going to kill you and your wife and kids do you call the cops, or you wait for them to show up? When they show up do you try to talk them out of it?

Me I mow the whole bunch of them mutha fawkers down, and die if I have to, but they aren’t getting any freebies and won’t get me or my family with out a fight.

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Cmujeeper I think you are missing the fact that 9/11 was a catalyst not a direct 100 % isolated pure connection. 9/11 was not by any one nation, does that mean who should sit on our thumb and play sit and spin with our ass?


So 9/11 gives us free reign to go after who ever we want if we think they are terrorist is what your saying? Boy does that sound similar to McCarthyism of the 1950s just switch communist to terrorist and your all set.




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Radical fundamental Islam is not isolated to al Qaeda, and al Qaeda is not the singular problem we have to worry about. I saw another post about Israel and whether we should get involved or when? Hezbollah’s mission statement says they want to exterminate Israel and push the Jews into the Mediterranean and then wipe out the democratic capitalist west.

Hezbollah is a 100 % enemy of freedom, capitalism democracy, and Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism (al quada has been destroying Buddhist temples since the mid 1990s) and all secular nations.

Let Israel sort out their own problems. They have been doing this since the time of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.

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If someone called your home and said they were going to kill you and your wife and kids do you call the cops, or you wait for them to show up? When they show up do you try to talk them out of it?
So your getting to my point of my homeland being attacked. Yes, I call the Police to Police my homeland or house in your example. I don't call the Police if someone I don't know in another country is getting attacked. They can call their Police of someone else to help and if that isn't possible then move or take the initive to solve your own problems.
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They (government) failed us on 9-11...they don't want to make that mistake again and I am glad they are doing what ever it takes........................
They failed us because to many pantie waist, ACLU, liberal, bleeding hearts were crying and filing civil suits any time Uncle Sam listened or watched us. They handcuffed our government from protecting us and bear a great responsibility for 9-11.

I don't give a hoot if the FBI listens to every damn call I make, because I'm not trying to bomb a subway or fly a plane into a building. The liberal pieces of garbage that are still filing suit saying "I'm not doing anything wrong, but I'm filing a suit for the principle of it" are just trying to handcuff us and feed us to the terrorists.............................again .
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So your getting to my point of my homeland being attacked. Yes, I call the Police to Police my homeland or house in your example. I don't call the Police if someone I don't know in another country is getting attacked. They can call their Police of someone else to help and if that isn't possible then move or take the initive to solve your own problems.
So if someone is too weak to call for help the hell with them? Nice to see your looking out for #1.
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So your getting to my point of my homeland being attacked. Yes, I call the Police to Police my homeland or house in your example. I don't call the Police if someone I don't know in another country is getting attacked. They can call their Police of someone else to help and if that isn't possible then move or take the initive to solve your own problems.
The police part was to try in vain to illustrate how dumb it is to not react, in real life the police have no responsiblity to "protect" you only to TRY to find your assailant. Call your local police they will not protect universially or unconditionally thats why gun control is so dumb.

good grief cmu jeeper Hezbollah doesnt just want to lay waste to Israel they want all of every secular free democratic nation, and every nation that isnt muslim. THAT MEANS US, THE U.S.A. WHERE YOU LIVE :miff: If you cant grasp that you should not be in the political forum.
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So if someone is too weak to call for help the hell with them? Nice to see your looking out for #1.
If they are not a U.S.A. citizen then yes the hell with them. Just looking out for #1 since the US has it's own problems to deal with here in the U.S.A.

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good grief cmu jeeper Hezbollah doesnt just want to lay waste to Israel they want all of every secular free democratic nation, and every nation that isnt muslim. THAT MEANS US, THE U.S.A. WHERE YOU LIVE :miff: If you cant grasp that you should not be in the political forum.
And you can't grasp that Israel is going to waste them like they have done since Abraham, Issac and Jacob. History repeats itself once again and I belive we should sit back and wait like we did the last time we won a war (WWII) and see what happens before we jump into the fight.

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Yea, except their last resort this time is atomic.....and we really don't want that to happen.

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So 9/11 gives us free reign to go after who ever we want if we think they are terrorist is what your saying?
God damn right! If the gov. thinks someone is gonna bomb a place where I or someone I know....or ANY american is....I damn well expect them to act.

It's obvious that you didn't know anyone that died on 9-11 and really don't give a shit about the people that did. I myself, have a large empty spot in my heart for 3 people that lost their lives that day. And feel for the other families that I will never meet. Nothing can bring them back, but ANYONE even remotly involved in that should be punished by the wrath of the U.S. Any nation hiding these people, or allowing them to hide in their country, or helping finacially, or spiritually, or fundementally should be considered the enemy.


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If they are not a U.S.A. citizen then yes the hell with them. Just looking out for #1 since the US has it's own problems to deal with here in the U.S.A.
Germany and Japan started out by just taking over one country also....................................and how many more lives were lost by waiting....................................

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It's obvious that you didn't know anyone that died on 9-11 and really don't give a shit about the people that did. I myself, have a large empty spot in my heart for 3 people that lost their lives that day. And feel for the other families that I will never meet. Nothing can bring them back
So you have a bleeding heart for the families of 9/11 but do you have a bleeding heart for the family of soilders killed in Iraq?

I think going after terrorists is fine. Going after someone who might have helped the terroist that we haven't caught in the first place is a mistake. It's like trying to bolt on an intake manifold before you have the heads tightened. Lets not over extend ourselves to the point we are now and have such bad relations with every other forigen country that we can't get any help. Also lets not over extend ourselves to where we are weakened at home.
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