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Old January 14th, 2010, 02:04 PM   #61
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Old January 14th, 2010, 04:17 PM   #62
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So according to you, God created the earth, and oversees everything.

So why do you pick and choose what God is responsible for? Like I said above, if a child survives a horrible car accident, why do you thank god, or say its a miracle, but when 200,000 die, it's a natural disaster?

It's either all of gods work, or its none of his work, we can't pick and choose what he did.

I apologize, I was in a hurry and didn't get to think about your statement and/or question fully. You bring up a Good point. I didn't fully realize that intill about half way through my route. (between yelling at the High schoolers and dealing with the stupid parents on the road ).

One thing that I failed to mention either out of being Hurried or my own Pride ( or both!) is that Not even the Strongest Minds on either side will ever understand God fully. If they did, there would be no need for him. I mean, Going by Christian theology, he's the creator of the universe and you expect to completely understand him on this tiny little planet with your (our) tiny little mind? Not even I will claim that and If I came across that way I Apologize.

But, I don't think he Purposely hurts people just because they disobey him or "make a Pact with the Devil" (said with a Patty Kinda Voice). If that were true then the purpose of Christianity would be pointless. The Whole story of the bible is about forgivenss and God getting back to us in a LOVING relationship. Nobody that is Beaten loves the Person who beats them. They are scared of them. That is not the God I know (through Life Expereinces and the bible), so I don't believe that is how he would act.

Another thing I would like to also add is that God is not responsible for our Actions. Our meaning human beings. I mean, on a technical scale, he created us so....he is. But, Realistically, the choices we make are ours. People Decided to clear cut the forest, People decided to rape women, people decided to make bad choices that would effect their country. Can God intervene? Yes. Does he? I don't think he does all the time, alot of the stuff happening is because of our own stupid choices. But, Natural Disasters are a different story. I feel the same way, I know God could make an earth quake happen, but I don't think he does it out of Spite if he were too.

And before we get into the "Well he killed so many people in the OT, why is he different?" debate, That was then. If you didn't fight, You died. The Israelites used the fact that they had an almighty God on their side to help motivate them to fight and to some extent intimidate their Enemies. That and (and Yes, I will confess to this) a lack of understanding of science. But, there are still things people can't explain with Science.




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Yeah....I was in a hurray and didn't fully comprehend what I typed. It won't happen again......Hopefully. :D

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Old January 14th, 2010, 05:02 PM   #63
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is that Not even the Strongest Minds on either side will ever understand God fully.

I talked to God today and he told me you are to give me all the money you have. He said you would not understand why you are to do this, but you have to do it anyway. I don't understand it either, but I have to do what I'm told to do. PM me your address and I'll pick up the money tomorrow
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Hati was evil. From the stories I hear they might have been on the evil scale with S&G so maybe it was God's idea to do a little house cleaning. The worlds over populated as you know.


And if it's God's plan then I'm all for it. So long Hati. Hopefully this will be a wake up call to whoever is left.
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He's in the same category as Al-Qaida with his use of religion to push his agenda of hate.
Before everybody gets ready to stone the look up Compassion International and see the good work they do and how many people they really do help. As we speak Compassion International right now is in Hatii helping the people there. Pat did tell the truth about what he spoke on but he should have kept his mouth shut.

The organization from Pat Robertson is called Operation Blessing not Compassion International, Sorry

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Old January 14th, 2010, 05:58 PM   #67
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Before everybody gets ready to stone the look up Compassion International and see the good work they do and how many people they really do help. As we speak Compassion International right now is in Hatii helping the people there. Pat did tell the truth about what he spoke on but he should have kept his mouth shut.
So You believe haiti made a deal with the devil?
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Hati was evil. From the stories I hear they might have been on the evil scale with S&G so maybe it was God's idea to do a little house cleaning. The worlds over populated as you know.


And if it's God's plan then I'm all for it. So long Hati. Hopefully this will be a wake up call to whoever is left.
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So You believe haiti made a deal with the devil?
From what I have read and heard yes the witch doctors and tribal people of the time(around the 1760's) did make a pact with the devil to help them defeat the french (Nepolian)that were occuping the country.
At one point Christians that had ended up in Hatii realized that there is a lot of satianic stuff going on were asked to help remove demons and spirits from there.
Which at that point they were suppose to be free from the devil and his hold on them. But you still have voo doo and witch doctors practicing their stuff to this day.
Pat was not being very sensitive to the situation going on there in Hatii.
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From what I have read and heard yes the witch doctors and tribal people of the time(around the 1760's) did make a pact with the devil to help them defeat the french (Nepolian)that were occuping the country.
At one point Christians that had ended up in Hatii realized that there is a lot of satianic stuff going on were asked to help remove demons and spirits from there.
Which at that point they were suppose to be free from the devil and his hold on them. But you still have voo doo and witch doctors practicing their stuff to this day.
Pat was not being very sensitive to the situation going on there in Hatii.
Hatii, Nepolian, occuping, satianic
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So where are all these credible sources showing the pact that the devil exists and made a pact with the people of Haiti?


I want to see the reasonable LC4X get into a theological debate over this with the extreme hardliners like aber and chiefwoohaw.
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From what I have read and heard yes the witch doctors and tribal people of the time(around the 1760's) did make a pact with the devil to help them defeat the french (Nepolian)that were occuping the country.
At one point Christians that had ended up in Hatii realized that there is a lot of satianic stuff going on were asked to help remove demons and spirits from there.
Which at that point they were suppose to be free from the devil and his hold on them. But you still have voo doo and witch doctors practicing their stuff to this day.
Pat was not being very sensitive to the situation going on there in Hatii.
Yeah, Patty boy was not being very sensitive and didn't really think about it before he said it. In essence, we all make deals with the Devil when we Sin or disobey God. I would hope that He would realize that and turn up the Integrity meeter a bit. Integrity = Taking the Plank out of your own Eye. Just my .02 Cents. Honestly, he does bother me quite often.
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So where are all these credible sources showing the pact that the devil exists and made a pact with the people of Haiti?


I want to see the reasonable LC4X get into a theological debate over this with the extreme hardliners like aber and chiefwoohaw.
The devil did not make the pact it was the people making the deal with the devil.
There would be no reason for a debate as I see it we pretty much see eye to eye.
As far as sources, look up Hatii, Nepolian, the devil, witch doctors, voo doo.
If you require more proof, look it up you may learn there is some truth to what Christians say. I have no reason to lie and nothing to gain. Take my word for it or prove me wrong. You won't hurt my feeings.
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It seriously blows me away, that people in this day and age can just eat this stuff up...

"I've read a lot of stuff and I'm convinced that the devil struck a deal with Haiti in the late 1700s."

How can you say that / type that and keep a straight face?

I feel like I should be able to sell you a bridge.

Do some reading on Joseph Smith. Apparently in the 1800's he talked to an angel named Nephi and discovered some magic plates. I've read it in numerous sources, so it must be true.
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It seriously blows me away, that people in this day and age can just eat this stuff up...

"I've read a lot of stuff and I'm convinced that the devil struck a deal with Haiti in the late 1700s."

How can you say that / type that and keep a straight face?

I feel like I should be able to sell you a bridge.

Do some reading on Joseph Smith. Apparently in the 1800's he talked to an angel named Nephi and discovered some magic plates. I've read it in numerous sources, so it must be true.
So tell me this, was George Washington really the president of this country?
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So tell me this, was George Washington really the president of this country?
On that note how do we know David Koresh (Waco, Texas) wasn't really the second coming of Jesus?
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So tell me this, was George Washington really the president of this country?
Yes, I believe that George Washington was the President. We have an overwhelming amount of evidence to support this idea and compared to the story you are spinning, it's not that hard to believe. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The idea that a person that we have multiple records of, who fought in the revolutionary war and became president isn't a very extraordinary claim. Now, the idea that a supernatural being made a deal with a nation of people is extraordinary because we have no proof of the supernatural being ever existing except in extremely old tales of mythology. It would be just as easy to say in 1000 years, if NY is reduced to rubble, someone comes across a Spiderman comic book and claims that Spiderman is real because he is mentioned in the book. Or claim that Zeus is real based on Greek mythology. Evidence, show me evidence.
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There are many sources who say, believe and wrote the Jesus was God but you still don't believe. . . I'm trying to see how that differs from what you just wrong about G Wash.
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