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Old January 10th, 2010, 11:52 PM   #1
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Navy or Not

I am in a heated debate with my self.... my wife,son and i currently live with my mother and father. this is ok because we still have a house for sale in Terre Haute IN. i have an AA in auto technology and i am an ASE certified technician. but currently work at four winds casino in new buffalo MI. this is a good job i made 31k last year and my wife finally got a job with aerotek working for whirlpool. The thing is ive always thought about joining the Navy and just never acted on it. well my wife thinks i should go for it my mom is not against it but she really doesnt want me to because of my son. he will be 3 when and if i join. Most my supervisors at work are telling me to go for it. a few of my coworkers say go and other say dont my dad and brother both served in the navy they think i will enjoy it. However they warn me of the political crap involved. Also if i join as an e-1 not sure being i have the AA degree and work experience if i will join higher or not. but E-1 pay is half of what i made this year. The up side free housing free healthcare and the oppourtunity to travel every 2-3 years. i also see my self as possibilly making the whole 20 year career out of the military and plan to retire form it if i join and like it. any ones input here owuld be appreciated. (Please lets not turn this into a war of what branch is better Navy vs. Marine Vs. army Vs. air force) and so on i will only join the navy i dont want to be in any other branch.

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Old January 11th, 2010, 12:02 AM   #2
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You made 31k last year and if you go into the navy you have to take a pay cut?
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Old January 11th, 2010, 12:07 AM   #3
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Go talk to a recruiter, but do NOT take anything they say as truth unless you see it in writing. Talk to sailors who have gone through in the recent past. Get as much information as you can before you make a decision.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 12:15 AM   #4
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I am in a heated debate with my self.... my wife son and i currently live with my mother in father. this is ok because we still have a house for sale in Terre Haute IN. i have an AA in auto technology and i am an ASE certified technician. but currently work at four winds casino in new buffalo MI. this is a good job i made 31k last year and my wife finally got a job with aerotek working for whirlpool. The thing is ive always thought about joining the Navy and just never acted on it. well my wife thinks i should go for it my mom is not against it but she really doesnt want me to because of my son. he will be 3 when and if i join. Most my supervisors at work are telling me to go for it. a few of my coworkers say go and other say dont my dad and brother both served in the navy they think i will enjoy it. However they warn me of the political crap involved. Also if i join as an e-1 not sure being i have the AA degree and work experience if i will join higher or not. but E-1 pay is half of what i made this year. The up side free housing free healthcare and the oppourtunity to travel every 2-3 years. i also see my self as possibilly making the whole 20 year career out of the military and plan to retire form it if i join and like it. any ones input here owuld be appreciated. (Please lets not turn this into a war of what branch is better Navy vs. Marine Vs. army Vs. air force) and so on i will only join the navy i dont want to be in any other branch.
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You made 31k last year and if you go into the navy you have to take a pay cut?
That's clearly what he said. Unless you're trying to insulting his income.

Personally, I could never be away from my wife and child for long periods of time. I would miss my kid grow up, and be afraid my wife would get side-hoagie while I was away (I do not have children, nor am I married)

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Old January 11th, 2010, 12:20 AM   #5
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No, I was under the assumption they made more then that in the service from friends that I have had in it and relatives.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 12:29 AM   #6
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No, I was under the assumption they made more then that in the service from friends that I have had in it and relatives.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 12:30 AM   #7
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I've been trying to enlist in the navy since October. just so you know, every branch of the service is full, so your jobs are very limited. when I went in, in the fall they told me I could only sign as a SEAL, rescue swimmer, or nuclear engineer. then again this is MI, and your in IN, so it may be slightly different.

from what my recruiter(s) have told me, the best chance to get a seat, is here in February. apparently they are restructuring, and jobs are going to open, but they will fill up fast.

any thoughts as to what job you are going to pursue? have you taken the ASVAB?

like I said, I have been in and out of the office for the last 4 months, so if you have any questions I would be happy to talk.

and i don't think having an associates degree will change your rank, but I believe you get a $5k signing bonus.

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Old January 11th, 2010, 12:32 AM   #8
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Right now War is going to get bigger.. is your life worth under 31k
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Old January 11th, 2010, 12:36 AM   #9
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No, I was under the assumption they made more then that in the service from friends that I have had in it and relatives.
it really all depends on your rank, and what you are doing. when you first join you don't make shit, but once you make your way up to E-4(ish) its not too bad. plus you can get all kinds of bonuses, for being at sea, on a sub, in hazardous areas etc...
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Old January 11th, 2010, 04:18 AM   #10
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well actually i live in MI right now. im looking at 3 options for careers either some form of engine tech be it jet prop or boat. Air Traffic controller. or MP not sure which way to go butyou said they are all full that would explain why the navy recuiter italked to was so short with me when he found out i was overweight. only by 26 pounds but still he got off the phone very quick i thought.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 04:24 AM   #11
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well actually i live in MI right now. im looking at 3 options for careers either some form of engine tech be it jet prop or boat. Air Traffic controller. or MP not sure which way to go butyou said they are all full that would explain why the navy recuiter italked to was so short with me when he found out i was overweight. only by 26 pounds but still he got off the phone very quick i thought.
are you working with the recruiters out of benton harbor?

I am trying to get into ATC right now too good luck

I was also 25 lbs over weight, took me a month to shed it before i went to mepps for my phys.

also have you taken the ASVAB yet? score?
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Old January 11th, 2010, 06:26 AM   #12
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Consider the take-home pay, cost of housing, cost ofmeals, cost of mediacl care. The military issues a settlement sheet each year, gives the service member a break-down of pay to amenities servicemembers can take advantage of. When I left the USMC in 1996, I was only pulling in about 1400 per month, but factoring in housing, medical, meals, and other things (gym, hobby activites at low cost) the estimated my annual salary to be equivelent to about $36000.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 06:55 AM   #13
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I find it hard to believe it is different state buy state on who the navy is taking. My dumbass shop kid just went and joined the navy. I think from the time he thought about it, met the recruiter, and went off to great mistakes it was maybe 6 weeks I think closer to 4 weeks. He was no rocket scientist. He was set to go nuke sub of some such thing but got the boot cause he pissed positive.. dumbass!!! But as stated its a pay cut, but if it is something you can hang with and truly want to do it lose the weight and give the guy a call back. What's the worse thing that can happen you loose some weight and help your health? oh and as stated go take the ASVAB and see if you can even do some of the jobs you want to do. your college training should qualify you for at least E-2 status or you could do coast guard were you come out of boot camp as an e-2 or e-3...
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Old January 11th, 2010, 08:56 AM   #14
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I had planned to go in but now I have a baby on the way so that's really up in the air. I'm running out of time because I have to be commisioned as an O-1 by the age of 29.

I say go for it!! My brother just left for Kuwait and he loves being in the Navy.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 08:59 AM   #15
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I am in a heated debate with my self.... my wife son and i currently live with my mother in father. .
I couldn't even read past this shitty ass sentence.

So your debating yourself (heatedly), your wife is your son, and your mother is in your father? wtf?

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Old January 11th, 2010, 09:02 AM   #16
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go for it there are many options to get you to e-3 very quickly in the navy i did al the reserch for a friend. i am a e-4 in the army. but you will get extra pay for being away for your wife and kids and BAH basic houseing allowence. your college experience will get you a better job. i had a navy recruiter pissed at me cuz i asked all the right questions when i took a friend to see him soo make sure you do all your research b4 you even talk to him you have any more questions let me kno.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 10:43 AM   #17
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How old are you? That would make a difference in my answer. The younger you are, the easier it is to assimilate to the military life style, especially on the enlisted side. When I worked for the Marine Corps Recruiting Command, I would see that statistics each month and folks who enlisted over the age of 27 were significantly more likely to get kicked out, medically discharged, fail out of schools, etc during their first 12 months than those who enlisted at 27 and younger. And I don't think it's a physical thing, it seems more mental (like once you are above a certain age, you become more stubborn and more stuck in your ways and unwilling to change the way you behave).

As for enlisting as an E-1, I know in the Marines, if you had above a certain number of credit hours at an accredited university, you could enlist as an E-2 and I would imagine the Navy would have a similar program. And, depending on what your job is, and if you keep yourself out of trouble, your first one or two promotions should come pretty easily (it's once you hit E-4 or E-5 that promotions really begin to slow down).

Regarding pay, yes, your starting basic pay as an E-1 or E-2 will be significantly lower than what you make now. But, as has been mentioned before, there are multiple extra allowances that can get added into your pay each month depending on your job, housing, where you are stationed, etc. And these allowances also increase as your rank increases. You can check out the pay for each rank and for all the different monthly allowances here: http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/mili...PayTable34.pdf

And if you choose to live off-base, you can see what you Basic Allowance for Housing would be, depending on the geography, here: http://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/perdiem/bah.html

And like others have said, don't forget to factor in the money saved on health care costs, shopping on the base, etc. And one of my favorite perks that I miss the most now that I am now longer serving, were the base auto hobby shops where they had just about any tool you wanted and you cold work on your vehicle in a little bay with technical assistance if you needed it... all free of charge!
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Old January 11th, 2010, 11:00 AM   #18
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Make sure to check all your options before you sign. I did the active duty thing for 8 years then got out. Currently I work fulltime for the National Guard. There are alot of full time jobs available all over the state fron IT stuff to wrenching on trucks or aircraft and a ton of other stuff.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 11:16 AM   #19
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Old January 11th, 2010, 11:56 AM   #20
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I couldn't even read past this shitty ass sentence.

So your debating yourself (heatedly), your wife is your son, and your mother is in your father? wtf?

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This is exactly what the navy is looking for.
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