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Old January 5th, 2010, 12:33 PM   #21
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http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forums/...oint-flip.html

i had a NBS where u couldnt do this but from what i remember u just move them from above the control arm to below.


i know on NBS z71 meant u got 2" blocks stock not too sure on the OBS but i wouldnt worry about a 2" block and axle wrap... the guy building the 01 chevy is putting a 5.5" block in and when i got my 6.5-7.5 superlift they actually reccomended stacking the 5.5" block on top of my factory 2" lol

you could possibly go get ur rear springs re-arched that may be the cheapest route
I like the ball joint idea, but you can't use stock rims with the flip since it moves the upper a arm up to much, so i'm probably not going to do it, but where would I get the rear springs re-arched, i've heard about it but nothing detailed?

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My Tahoe has Torsion keys from Maxx Suspension in Bay City. Switched them out, indexed to level the front to the back which has 2" blocks.

Bloo Mule is right, axle wrap is worse and you do replace ball joints more frequently, but I dont have such an issue with wandering. Alignment is more sketchy, some guys shake there heads but eventually it gets there. I have 305's on the tahoe.
I'm not to worried about bad axle wrap with 2" blocks, I know people run 4 and 6" blocks and they don't have much of a problem, but I just don't like blocks in general, I am considering a 2" body lift, but i may not either.

I'm leaning more towards putting the ford keys in with stock bolt height and the spring rearched (if that works out) if not then 2" blocks and call it good
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Old January 5th, 2010, 12:42 PM   #22
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My wife's 96 Tahoe has the torsion bars cranked and add a leafs in the rear instead of blocks.Btw rides like shit,but the wife likes it stiff.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 12:46 PM   #23
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My wife's 96 Tahoe has the torsion bars cranked and add a leafs in the rear instead of blocks.Btw rides like shit,but the wife likes it stiff.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 12:52 PM   #24
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Old January 5th, 2010, 01:10 PM   #25
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my 95 had no alighnment problems with stock turned up ~2" and in the back it had 3/4 ton spring's to match the front and it road great not to rough but loved to be loaded down
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Old January 5th, 2010, 02:15 PM   #26
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my 95 had no alighnment problems with stock turned up ~2" and in the back it had 3/4 ton spring's to match the front and it road great not to rough but loved to be loaded down
I'd like to get a set of 3/4 ton springs, but all I can find is 1/2 ton

I may just crank up the torsion bars all the way, I had that on my 91 and it actually rode just fine with good tires, I put of set fo super swamper ssrs on it and it rode like shit lol

or I may just put the ford keys in but not crank them, that should be better for ride quality than cranking up the stock keys, but that's a lot more work
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Old January 5th, 2010, 04:20 PM   #27
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The trucks that I have dealt with we cranked the stock keys all the way up and took another set of stock springs, cut the eyes off and bolted them under the original main leaf that was in the truck. This way you don't have to mess with removing the bolts in the spring eyes, you get a little bit of lift and it won't sag as much when hauling. A two inch block under that is a little too tall for even the indexing keys. If it was mine I think I would start with beefing up the back like I said and then cranking up the stock keys all the way. If you aren't going to max out the lift keys I don't see the point in changing them. On an older truck it can be a PITA. I like the level ride height tho, if you like a bit of a rake, you might want to put a one inch block in the back instead of a two.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 10:09 PM   #28
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The trucks that I have dealt with we cranked the stock keys all the way up and took another set of stock springs, cut the eyes off and bolted them under the original main leaf that was in the truck. This way you don't have to mess with removing the bolts in the spring eyes, you get a little bit of lift and it won't sag as much when hauling. A two inch block under that is a little too tall for even the indexing keys. If it was mine I think I would start with beefing up the back like I said and then cranking up the stock keys all the way. If you aren't going to max out the lift keys I don't see the point in changing them. On an older truck it can be a PITA. I like the level ride height tho, if you like a bit of a rake, you might want to put a one inch block in the back instead of a two.
I guess i'm just old fashioned, I don't really like mocking up stuff for a lift, like cutting up a set of springs to bolt onto my existing ones, though I doubt there would be much of a problem, i'm just saying. It's a good idea though, So it's basically adding an extra main leaf to the pack?

And what I get from you just crank up the stock torsion keys all the way, maybe leave a bit of thread showing, i'll make sure both sides are even in height anyway so there may or may not be thread showing on the key bolts, and add the exrta main leaf to the spring packs? that actually sounds like a pretty decent way of doing a cheap lift

What about a shackel flip? I've heard about them but never actually looked it up or heard anything about them
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Old January 6th, 2010, 01:39 AM   #29
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if you do an add a leaf you will get ~ 2" of rear lift and that is just adding another leaf to the pack's. then take a breaker bar and adjust the stock t.b.'s till it's level or raked or squated which ever you prefer. you can get roughly 3" out of cranking them all the way up so matching the rear should be atainable with out maxing them out.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 03:56 AM   #30
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if you do an add a leaf you will get ~ 2" of rear lift and that is just adding another leaf to the pack's. then take a breaker bar and adjust the stock t.b.'s till it's level or raked or squated which ever you prefer. you can get roughly 3" out of cranking them all the way up so matching the rear should be atainable with out maxing them out.
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if you do an add a leaf you will get ~ 2" of rear lift and that is just adding another leaf to the pack's. then take a breaker bar and adjust the stock t.b.'s till it's level or raked or squated which ever you prefer. you can get roughly 3" out of cranking them all the way up so matching the rear should be atainable with out maxing them out.
I think you got the keys mixed up, cranking the stock keys will give you about 1-1.5" of lift and the ford keys give you up to 3" of lift if they're cranked all the way and about 2" of lift with the stock bolt crank, I cranked the keys on my 91 all the way and got about 1 1/2 inches of lift

i'm actually considering doing what jeepitupyo said about adding the extra main spring from another spring pack, it sounds like a pretty decent idea, but I think i'll need a longer pin for the pack too, if i remember correctly theres a pin that goes through the middle of the pack that keeps them aligned
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Old January 6th, 2010, 10:22 AM   #31
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Instead of blocking the rear and dealing with the added axle-wrap issues, how about just a longer shackle at the back of the leaf? It works for all of the Jeep guys out there with CJ's......
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Instead of blocking the rear and dealing with the added axle-wrap issues, how about just a longer shackle at the back of the leaf? It works for all of the Jeep guys out there with CJ's......
You would actually need a shorter shackle because I think the shackles go up instead of down.

Yes you will need a longer center pin but it's still easy.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 01:29 PM   #33
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You would actually need a shorter shackle because I think the shackles go up instead of down.

Yes you will need a longer center pin but it's still easy.
Yea, the more I think about it, the more I like the extra main leaf idea

And for the shackle lift, chevy and gmc trucks have a backwords shackle where the shackle itself points up, a shackle flip is pretty popular with gm guys. but i've never heard much detail about them, I know they're really popluar with SAS gm trucks, and I think they're pretty straight forward
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Old January 6th, 2010, 07:08 PM   #34
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I think you got the keys mixed up, cranking the stock keys will give you about 1-1.5" of lift and the ford keys give you up to 3" of lift if they're cranked all the way and about 2" of lift with the stock bolt crank, I cranked the keys on my 91 all the way and got about 1 1/2 inches of lift
i had 3" on my 93 suburban and my 95 had 2-2.5" the 96 my now ex is driving was was about 1.5" on 4 turn's and i was running 33-13.50-16's on it when i was driving it. all of them on stock key's. i have pic's of all for size reference if you would like to see them and tire size combo's.

as for the shackel flip it is very straight forward literaly you flip the mount and shackel on the truck so it point's down instead of up but that gains about 4" of lift if i rember correctly.

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Old January 6th, 2010, 08:20 PM   #35
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i had 3" on my 93 suburban and my 95 had 2-2.5" the 96 my now ex is driving was was about 1.5" on 4 turn's and i was running 33-13.50-16's on it when i was driving it. all of them on stock key's. i have pic's of all for size reference if you would like to see them and tire size combo's.

as for the shackel flip it is very straight forward literaly you flip the mount and shackel on the truck so it point's down instead of up but that gains about 4" of lift if i rember correctly.
I'd love to see some pics of the lift and tire combos, what size rim were you running? 16x8?

I've been thinking about it and I think I am going to add an extra main leaf to the rear spring packs and just crank the stock t keys all the way up, boggin machine has a set of springs for me if he ever gets his a*s up here to get my tahoe out of my hair lol

I'd like to lift it 3" with the ford keys but I don't really want to daily drive a truck that rides like a tank and have the front end at such a messed up angle
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Old January 7th, 2010, 12:36 AM   #36
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Just noticed that this was moved to chevy tech? it wasn't meant to be a tech thread, just an opinion and experiences thread......

not a big deal but I just noticed it was moved
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I'd love to see some pics of the lift and tire combos, what size rim were you running? 16x8?
the white 96 has stock 16x7's with 33-13.50-16 tsl's and about 1-1.5"of t.b crank. the green 95 has a 3" body and 2-2.5" of t.b and 3/4 ton spring's with 35's on 15x10's with roughly 4" of b.s. i cant find any of the burb right now the maron 97 is just a striaght 3" body lift with 33x12.50-15's on 15x10's on about 4-4.5" of b.s.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 08:18 PM   #38
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the white 96 has stock 16x7's with 33-13.50-16 tsl's and about 1-1.5"of t.b crank. the green 95 has a 3" body and 2-2.5" of t.b and 3/4 ton spring's with 35's on 15x10's with roughly 4" of b.s. i cant find any of the burb right now the maron 97 is just a striaght 3" body lift with 33x12.50-15's on 15x10's on about 4-4.5" of b.s.
Do you have anymore pics of the green 95 chevy?
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Old January 8th, 2010, 06:13 AM   #39
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Do you have anymore pics of the green 95 chevy?
here are the rest i have most have gotten lost between comp crashes and my phone geting lost

the factory rim's had 265's on them and the mt classic look a like's are 32-11.50's and black are 35's i thought i hade more pic's some were if i find them ill post them
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Old January 11th, 2010, 06:59 PM   #40
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I have Suspension Maxx Cams on my 91, with the after market A Arms, and blocks on the rear.. I don't have any alignment issues, ya it ain't perfect but its damn close to spec.
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