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Old March 17th, 2014, 08:51 PM   #1061
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looks nice!!!!! when an where's the next race?
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Old March 17th, 2014, 08:52 PM   #1062
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Old March 17th, 2014, 09:12 PM   #1063
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no prices on their website. if ya dont mind me asking how much for the radiator setup? im guessing that is the normal offroad one or is it the proclass?
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Old March 17th, 2014, 09:56 PM   #1064
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Did the nail polish come with it, or was it optional?
Kids craft table was easiest to set up at. Katie can do your nails if you would like.
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Old March 17th, 2014, 09:58 PM   #1065
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Kids craft table was easiest to set up at. Katie can do your nails if you would like.
We have work to do this week, maybe next time

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Old March 18th, 2014, 12:10 AM   #1066
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no prices on their website. if ya dont mind me asking how much for the radiator setup? im guessing that is the normal offroad one or is it the proclass?
It's based on the CBR1010 offroad radiator which has a street price of $555 from sdhq.com. The brace was a bit extra.
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Old March 18th, 2014, 10:20 AM   #1067
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I may have missed it....did you have an issue with your speedway unit or did you just want an upgrade? 555$ seems like a good deal for such a nice setup.
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Old March 18th, 2014, 01:39 PM   #1068
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Radiator was fine, but we have put 2 patches in it and we feel we need to get back to 0 patches. None the fault of the radiator.

The fan was an OEM grand cherokee electric fan set up that we had issues with and we are moving away from.

Since we are replacing a beat up radiator and changing the type of fan we decided to go with a one stop solution from CBR.

Side benefit is getting right size hose fittings and steam port that you don't get in a universal.

Not surprisingly, the fit and finish, and quality of workmanship is nicer on the CBR. It is a get what you pay for thing.
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Old March 18th, 2014, 02:02 PM   #1069
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Do you feel the 24" is the smallest you would run or is it possible the 22" would work? My current radiator (stock 85 Toyota unit) is 22x18....would be nice to drop the 22x19 size right in with minimal modification if it would be enough to cool my 5.3
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I believe JeepM715's brother has a M170 with a 5.3 and I think a 22x19 dual pass with a big fan on it. I believe it is "working", not sure if it ever creeps up in temps. I know he was size limited for anything bigger.
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Old March 18th, 2014, 05:19 PM   #1071
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Do you feel the 24" is the smallest you would run or is it possible the 22" would work? My current radiator (stock 85 Toyota unit) is 22x18....would be nice to drop the 22x19 size right in with minimal modification if it would be enough to cool my 5.3
1 sq in of core per hp is the general rule of thumb to shoot for. Obviously types of use, fan, overall efficiency, etc all play a role, but that seems like a good starting point.
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1 sq in of core per hp is the general rule of thumb to shoot for. Obviously types of use, fan, overall efficiency, etc all play a role, but that seems like a good starting point.

Good to know....i am sure i can hack it apart and fit a 24 or maybe even bigger if i need to just more of a curiosity thing. I actually think my big challenge is going to be thickness more than anything
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Old March 18th, 2014, 05:57 PM   #1073
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1 sq in of core per hp is the general rule of thumb to shoot for. Obviously types of use, fan, overall efficiency, etc all play a role, but that seems like a good starting point.
ive also heard 1 inch per cid
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ive also heard 1 inch per cid
Yes I've heard that as well.....in fact, that may be a correction to what I was initially thinking. Either way, the number should be pretty comparable for a 5.3.
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I've seen similar, 1 square inch per hp or cid (whatever is higher). It makes sense, an LS2 tweaked to make 500hp will likely need more cooling than our same cid LQ4 making 300hp.

We had to re-build our radiator mounts so last night we chopped out the old stuff and built the lower mount and sketched up the upper. We used some 1/8" steel that had been formed into c-channel. We had to tweak it a bit around the steering box shaft, but it turned out nicely.

The upper piece will capture the 3 fan shroud bolts and bolt to the upper cross-member to hold it in place. The plan is to have some leftover 0.125 aluminum cut up to make the piece a bit less plain jane since it's the first thing you will see when you open the hood.

To Do List before race:
- finish radiator install
-- new hoses for radiator (upper, lower, steam port)
-- upper radiator mount install
-- fill radiator
- change gear lube
- check hubs, see if they need to be repacked after snow wheeling
- drop skid plate for under body inspection
- replace pass side control arms (already cut to length, need to weld in bungs)
- replace rod ends
- fluid check
- thinking about changing track bar to one bend design with clearance gained from radiator change
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ron burgendy will likely not help with the hubs incase you were thinking he would redeem himself
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Old March 19th, 2014, 11:23 AM   #1077
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Oh I might, but only if they use Royal Purple grease and gear lube and bring it over to do it on the hoist.
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New radiator is mounted up, much better than the old mount. Won't be embarrassed to open the hood anymore

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I wouldn't go that far. Lol
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Disappointing 3rd of 3 result.

Annoying weekend of failures started on Friday during pre-run. Ran first section of course and got to the first obstacle. Guy in front of us got crossed up and blocked the course. While I was waiting a bunch of the top guys came up (Campbells, Baird, Chicky, and a few others) so I let them pass. When I went to attempt the obstacle I didn't make it the first attempt and stalled. Hit starter button and nothing but clicking. Guy behind me pulled me back, and I was pulled out and drug back to camp.

We banged on the starter and got it working. Our hope was to get some prerun time in and then change the starter to our back up. The starter failed again before we left camp. We looked at our back and decided we would be better off with a new starter. We went into town and got a new starter and swapped it, missing the remaining prerun time.

Saturday morning came and we watched the Unlimited for a bit, and then went back and did final check of the car before race started at 2pm. We were the first of 3 Mod cars off the line.

The course was crazy tight, no room for errors. I was trying to go quickly through the woods and kept momentarily losing steering, which in hindsight was likely the power steering pump starting to stall at lower engine speeds.

Ended up coming around the corner and found I had no power steering and clipped a tree due to not being able to make a quick correction. Backed up went down the course a bit further and missed the next turn due to no steering. Figured out we broke the sector shaft on the steering box. I was able to back up across the trail into the woods and we swapped the box.

Box swap took maybe 20 minutes and we were off. But almost immediately it became apparent the power steering pump was failing. I slowed the pace down and we were hoping to just finish, and maybe one of the other guys would have more problems than us.

The course changed from tight woods to river beds, and I was picking my way along. Not fast, but moving. We ended up on a less than optimal line since it looked ok, and with the bad steering it was easier to take than the easy line. Ended up being a bad choice as with slow steering, I couldn't keep us from sliding off the line and we rolled onto our side.

We got out of the car, and started getting ourselves righted. First tree we chose to use started pulling out of the ground, so we let the jeep back down and moved to another tree and got the jeep on its wheels. Around this time we got lapped by Casey and the other racer.

We topped off the steering pump and continued on, still hoping to complete a few laps. We got to the hardest climb of the day, and I was working my way up and got about half way up before getting hung up. Rather than risking hurting the car we decided to winch. As I neared the top I got off the winch line and was holding the car with only the brakes when the brake pedal went to the floor. Jesse saw the blow out of fluid while unhooking the cable, but didn't realise what it was. I shut down the front circuit and got back braking.

We continued on and passed Casey's jeep broken on the side of the trail and nobody around. The trail had turned into mostly climbs and downhills, and I was running in 2-Low and steering was much easier not fighting the front locker. We were talking that if we could keep the stupid jeep together, we might be able to finish the lap and start another. It was just over an hour into the 3 hour race, so we had the time.

Then the rear brake line blew out. We managed to limp back to the finish line, getting through one lap in a few hours. By then the 1st place guy had finished 3 laps and there wasn't enough time for us to fix the car and do another lap. Race done.

For the next race we are talking about going to hydro assist steering, and re-plumbing the brakes with hard line and steel braided. The plastic line had treated us well on trail rigs and the Wagoneer, but it looks like it's time to step up.
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