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Old November 28th, 2009, 03:42 PM   #1
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Please dont hammer me to bad guys! I am starting my first SAS on my Bronco2 and I am looking for some real world feedback or opinions on which way I should go for my front suspension.

I am swaping in a EB d44 and dont want to use the coils and shocks that came with it. I was looking at Ballistics site and was eyeing their coilovers as a possible easier way to go.
http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/...ck_p_1649.html

Or is their airshock good enough for a smaller truck like mine?
http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/...ck_p_1565.html

Is one or the other better for street driving? Are they going to get trashed in mud?
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Probably be easier to go with the air shocks but be prepared to spend time getting them dialed in and if you decide the coilovers double that. By that I mean getting the correct spring rates. The air shocks you need to adjust the nitro and oil.

Why not just use regular shocks?


Is this for a mud truck or what????
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Old November 28th, 2009, 05:04 PM   #3
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Mud will be the least of all types of wheeling it will see.

I want something with adjustability. Tired of dealing with saggy coils,throw away shocks from leaking and i would like to use some good bump stops.
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Old November 28th, 2009, 05:19 PM   #4
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these are the responses i got when i posted the same question

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i ended up going with 12" SAW air shocks
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Neither. Just go with long leaf springs for simplicity and durability.
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Old November 28th, 2009, 06:08 PM   #6
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Neither. Just go with long leaf springs for simplicity and durability.
Spoken by someone who has never run them. It certainly depends on the intended use. I've seen lots of people go from leafs to air or coilovers. I've never seen anyone go the other way.

For a short wheel based vehicle, the ride improvement ditching leafs is noticeable.
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Leaf springs forever! Viva la resistance!
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Old November 28th, 2009, 08:10 PM   #8
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these are the responses i got when i posted the same question

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i ended up going with 12" SAW air shocks
..and how have they worked for you so far?
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i have been looking into coil overs/air shocks too,but they seem pricey , but then again i'm broke.I've done some checking and found a few companies that offer coilover kits that you put over your shocks,i,ve seen them with up to 14" travel ,but i don't think the mounts would be that strong for a dd .
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Spoken by someone who has never run them. It certainly depends on the intended use. I've seen lots of people go from leafs to air or coilovers. I've never seen anyone go the other way.

For a short wheel based vehicle, the ride improvement ditching leafs is noticeable.
Yeah, I guess my leaf spring setups never flex well



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Yeah, I guess my leaf spring setups never flex well



your the one exception!
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Old November 29th, 2009, 10:53 PM   #12
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coming froma guy that flexs his beater pos s10 out on a pile of 2x4 pine to make a rti ramp.
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coming froma guy that flexs his beater pos s10 out on a pile of 2x4 pine to make a rti ramp.
Not my ramp. Thats a very old pic that was taken in the UP before a run at the staging area. And what does it matter if it is a POS S-10 if it flexes and works on the trail? That truck was built - not bought.

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thats fine. he wasnt asking about leaf springs. leaf springs suck. there no doubt about it. you just stated the obvious...... he wasnt asking for the stuiped hill billy's opinion on what you think is best.
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Yeah Im not try to start a leafs vs coils debate. Leafs can work also,we all know this.However,I will NOT be using leafs so all of that disscussion can end here.

I may have found a good deal on some 12" Fox Remote resivor coilovers so I may go this way.

I was reading on Pirate about airshocks needing some kind of swaybar to deal with serious body roll if any street driving is done which kind of concerned me. Any body delt with that?
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from what I've read, 2.0 air shocks are pretty bad about body roll, so you'll definitely need a sway bar. If your set on air shocks for your DD... maybe try 2.5" shocks
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2,0 would work. its a pretty light bronco. unless he is going with a v8 there would be any concern for to much weight. the 2.5s would be over kill on that little of rig. but it would be a good option to think about if he ever plans to upgrade to a bigger motor.
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Keith, I never said your truck didn't flex well. But that's not the only benefit of a link setup. It's in the ride and how the rig reacts on the trail.
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Yeah, I guess my leaf spring setups never flex well
Nobody ever said tehy didnt flex, they can flex just fine and have a more solid feel than an air shock or coilover. Axle control is the biggest issue between links vs leafs.

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I may have found a good deal on some 12" Fox Remote resivor coilovers so I may go this way.
If they are "stock" and havent been tuned much then that could be a good deal. If someone has tuned them for an unconventional setup then you might waste any cost savings trying to get them back into a usable setup. Know what you're buying and if it checks out then it will be a good choice.

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I was reading on Pirate about airshocks needing some kind of swaybar to deal with serious body roll if any street driving is done which kind of concerned me. Any body delt with that?
It's all in the setup. I can point out setups on 2.0" A/S that dont have sway bars and they are more stable than a 2.5" setup with a sway bar.

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from what I've read, 2.0 air shocks are pretty bad about body roll, so you'll definitely need a sway bar. If your set on air shocks for your DD... maybe try 2.5" shocks
A shitty setup is a shitty setup whether they are 2.0's or 2.5's. If they arent tuned they are probably going to suck and a sway bar is just a band aid.

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2,0 would work. its a pretty light bronco. unless he is going with a v8 there would be any concern for to much weight. the 2.5s would be over kill on that little of rig. but it would be a good option to think about if he ever plans to upgrade to a bigger motor.
2.0's will take more work to get dialed in than 2.5's and the 2.5's will have a better feel on a heavier rig. 2.0" SAW's could be an option for that vehicle but a 2.5" will get you a better end result.

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Keith, I never said your truck didn't flex well. But that's not the only benefit of a link setup. It's in the ride and how the rig reacts on the trail.
exactly... staying in the throttle trying to find traction without having axle wrap is a good feeling.

2.0" coilovers or 2.5" air shocks will be your best investment. Plan on the price of 5 air shocks so you can get a recharge/tuning kit or price out coilovers, there's about a grand between the two choices without getting into multiple sets of springs. Finding a "good enough" spring combo is pretty easy, getting the "just right" spring combo can be a never ending saga. The spring calculator in pirate along with some of the threads to get a baseline from will help get the initial setup pretty close.
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The Fox c/o I found are new and still have the red tags on them from Fox with the factory valving. They are 2.0 and come with 350/250 coils.

And yes Im dropping in a efi 5.0 and C4 the same time Im doing the axle swap.
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